>Len I know you have spoken for SPF/DMP several times on this list and most
>of us probably just dont take the time to read like we should, but I finally
>am, and am going to set it up. Which have you currently setup on your
>servers.. either/both?

I think the SPF/DMP idea is wonderful, but first things first.

If legit servers won't set up PTR + HELO hostnames correctly at this late 
stage in the spam war, and if we don't force the issue by having policies 
that insist on ptr + helo correctness, what is the point of insisting SPF/DMP?

>what do you recommend for postfix... or wait for
>native support?

the patch is probably ok

>Today I just found where a bunch of joker/subscriber complaints had been
>intercepted by declude (ooops) and i'm thinking that putting a line in
>smtpd_restrictions to skip the joker match if coming from a spf approved
>server would be a better solution than me telling all these people to change
>their revdns or making a ton of exceptions i'll have to manage.

SPF/DMP is great because the records are only in the forward zone, so mail 
servers that can't set up correct PTR can "escape" their PTR problems by 
setting up SPF/DMP records.

but, imo, the big picture is that the domains that set up DMP/SPF records 
now or soon aren't spamming us anyway, so no gain.   If the critical mass 
hotmail/yahoo/aol/msn/earthlink would both setup DMP/SPF records for their 
domains AND insist on DMP/SPF records for all domains sending to them, THEN 
we'd have serious leap forward.

To repeat an earlier point about using DNS records for validation:  AOL 
rejects inbound mail with single criteria of no PTR, but how many of you 
are doing the same?

So are we now saying we will not/cannot reject mail from PTR-less IPs, but 
we will reject mail for SPF/DNP-less domains?

Len


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