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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Saikrishna Arcot)
2. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Serge Wroclawski)
3. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Mike N)
4. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Dariusz B?czkowski)
5. Re: [osm-pl] Fwd: Re: Import of addresses in Poland
(Zbigniew Czernik)
6. Re: [osm-pl] Fwd: Re: Import of addresses in Poland
(Bryce Nesbitt)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:36:48 -0500
From: Saikrishna Arcot <[email protected]>
To: Dariusz B?czkowski <[email protected]>
Cc: OSM Imports <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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I think some addresses /do/ show on the rendered map at the highest zoom
level on the OpenStreetMap website.
Saikrishna Arcot
On 02/04/2014 03:27 PM, Dariusz B?czkowski wrote:
On 04.02.2014 20:52, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 04.02.2014 20:44, Adam Williamson wrote:
So, when I get time to work on my proposal again, I'm going to look at
the possibilities for providing the same data not directly within OSM,
but in geocoding layers that are commonly associated with OSM.
Of course, naturally, I wonder if there are standards/conventions for
this.
There aren't standards but there's a precursor - Nominatim actually
contains code to convert US TIGER address data into an OSM file and
then, in a second step, import that OSM file into its local database in
addition to the "proper" OSM data. I think there's also code that makes
sure that house numbers in OSM take precedence to the "background" TIGER
data.
I think it is probably not impossible to have a repository of ready-made
OSM files with house numbers for various areas, and anyone setting up
Nominatim could select the files for whatever areas they're interested
in. I don't know however if this would require a clever way to deal with
node ID ranges to avoid clashes.
What about address visibility on OSM data generated maps/tiles?
Without does being visible on map no one can verify them.
Verification is way easier and anyone can do it in his city just walking
with map showings on his phone. No JOSM editing proficiency necessary.
Then they can write on forum or talk-pl (they do that for everything now
anyway).
For now all imports in Poland had positive verification and we should
have all Poland imported.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:36:56 -0500
From: Serge Wroclawski <[email protected]>
To: Frederik Ramm <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> wrote:
As you probably know, OSM doesn't value data over community.
This is not a universally accepted view in OSM, not even amongst the
more senior members of our community. Those who don't agree with it
are wrong, but it's not a universal belief.
This is also the reason we prefer "community imports" where perhaps one
person or a small group of people prepares data for import, but the
actual import is done by people local to the area, who know the place
and know what they're doing.
In addition, we've seen that such processes are community building
exercises. When they don't happen, the local community cannot benefit
from the process.
- Serge
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:41:30 -0500
From: Mike N <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
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On 2/4/2014 3:27 PM, Dariusz B?czkowski wrote:
What about address visibility on OSM data generated maps/tiles?
Without does being visible on map no one can verify them.
Verification is way easier and anyone can do it in his city just walking
with map showings on his phone.
There are many cases where addresses are not shown on OSM tiles. For
some examples:
- Addresses spaced too close to render every one.
- Addresses added as part of a single-purpose building such as a
restaurant. Therefore only the restaurant or building name is shown.
A dedicated app or overlay that is aware of both OSM addresses and
the hypothetical address repository would be better: show all addresses
while walking down the street, and identify the source of the address by
color.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:42:25 +0100
From: Dariusz B?czkowski <[email protected]>
To: Saikrishna Arcot <[email protected]>
Cc: OSM Imports <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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On 04.02.2014 21:36, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
I think some addresses /do/ show on the rendered map at the highest zoom
level on the OpenStreetMap website.
Yes, imported data.
People in US are confused: no address on map but Nominatim founds it,
because it uses TIGER. There is no way to verify them just by walking
with map in your hand. I saw many questions on forum/help sites about
that when I was preparing our own instance of Nominatim.
On 02/04/2014 03:27 PM, Dariusz B?czkowski wrote:
On 04.02.2014 20:52, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 04.02.2014 20:44, Adam Williamson wrote:
So, when I get time to work on my proposal again, I'm going to look at
the possibilities for providing the same data not directly within OSM,
but in geocoding layers that are commonly associated with OSM.
Of course, naturally, I wonder if there are standards/conventions for
this.
There aren't standards but there's a precursor - Nominatim actually
contains code to convert US TIGER address data into an OSM file and
then, in a second step, import that OSM file into its local database in
addition to the "proper" OSM data. I think there's also code that makes
sure that house numbers in OSM take precedence to the "background" TIGER
data.
I think it is probably not impossible to have a repository of ready-made
OSM files with house numbers for various areas, and anyone setting up
Nominatim could select the files for whatever areas they're interested
in. I don't know however if this would require a clever way to deal with
node ID ranges to avoid clashes.
What about address visibility on OSM data generated maps/tiles?
Without does being visible on map no one can verify them.
Verification is way easier and anyone can do it in his city just walking
with map showings on his phone. No JOSM editing proficiency necessary.
Then they can write on forum or talk-pl (they do that for everything now
anyway).
For now all imports in Poland had positive verification and we should
have all Poland imported.
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