I would also be very interested to learn more details regarding the instances where this approach is or is not acceptable. This approach is nicely explained and demonstrated by Paul Allison in his SAGE text on MI. I have used this approach routinely when an interaction term is important to the testable hypothesis in a multivariable model (i.e., split on the dichotomous X1 variable with little or no missing data, perform MI stratified on the X1 variable and X1 falls out of the MI model, then recombine the stratified MI data for analysis). Thanks. Craig Craig D. Newgard, MD, MPH Assistant Professor Department of Emergency Medicine Department of Public Health & Preventative Medicine Oregon Health & Science University 3181 Sam Jackson Park Road Mail Code CR-114 Portland, OR 97239-3098 (503) 494-1668 (Office) (503) 494-4640 (Fax) [email protected]
>>> "Patrick S. Malone" <[email protected]> 6/9/2004 6:55:40 AM >>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:04:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Rod Little <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Paul: this is an interesting issue. For the specific case you > outline, the X1Y interaction should be included; a simple strategy would > be to simply stratify on X1 and impute Y and X2 separately in the two > strata. That strategy only applies in limited situations though. Rod > Rod, Could you elaborate, please, on the limited situations? I use that approach fairly routinely in intervention studies -- imputing separately by condition, to preserve treatment X initial status (or whatever) interactions. Thanks, Pat Malone -- Patrick S. Malone, Ph.D., Research Scholar Duke University Center for Child and Family Policy Durham, North Carolina, USA e-mail: [email protected] http://www.duke.edu/~malone/ _______________________________________________ Impute mailing list [email protected] http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/impute -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/pipermail/impute/attachments/20040609/110b3b9e/attachment.htm From JUDKIND1 <@t> westat.com Thu Jun 10 08:25:52 2004 From: JUDKIND1 <@t> westat.com (David Judkins) Date: Sun Jun 26 08:25:02 2005 Subject: [Impute] Interactions Message-ID: <[email protected]> I imagine that Rod's caveat has to do with the variety of missing data patterns. Stratifying on X1 works only if it is never missing. If all three variables having some missing data and the structure of missingness is not nested, then more complex approaches are required. With a total of just three variables, it is feasible to develop a different strategy for each pattern as in my 1993 SSRM Proceedings paper with Fahimi, Khare and Ezzati-Rice. If there were more variables, then it would make more sense to use a cyclic imputation method - either one of the Bayesian methods developed by Joe Schafer or the semi-parametric method that I developed (see the Marker, Judkins and Winglee chapter in Survey Nonresponse.) David Judkins Senior Statistician Westat 1650 Research Boulevard Rockville, MD 20854 (301) 315-5970 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Craig Newgard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:47 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Impute] Interactions I would also be very interested to learn more details regarding the instances where this approach is or is not acceptable. This approach is nicely explained and demonstrated by Paul Allison in his SAGE text on MI. I have used this approach routinely when an interaction term is important to the testable hypothesis in a multivariable model (i.e., split on the dichotomous X1 variable with little or no missing data, perform MI stratified on the X1 variable and X1 falls out of the MI model, then recombine the stratified MI data for analysis). Thanks. Craig Craig D. Newgard, MD, MPH Assistant Professor Department of Emergency Medicine Department of Public Health & Preventative Medicine Oregon Health & Science University 3181 Sam Jackson Park Road Mail Code CR-114 Portland, OR 97239-3098 (503) 494-1668 (Office) (503) 494-4640 (Fax) [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> "Patrick S. Malone" <[email protected]> 6/9/2004 6:55:40 AM >>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:04:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Rod Little <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Paul: this is an interesting issue. For the specific case you > outline, the X1Y interaction should be included; a simple strategy would > be to simply stratify on X1 and impute Y and X2 separately in the two > strata. That strategy only applies in limited situations though. Rod > Rod, Could you elaborate, please, on the limited situations? I use that approach fairly routinely in intervention studies -- imputing separately by condition, to preserve treatment X initial status (or whatever) interactions. Thanks, Pat Malone -- Patrick S. Malone, Ph.D., Research Scholar Duke University Center for Child and Family Policy Durham, North Carolina, USA e-mail: [email protected] http://www.duke.edu/~malone/ <http://www.duke.edu/~malone/> _______________________________________________ Impute mailing list [email protected] http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/impute <http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/impute> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/pipermail/impute/attachments/20040610/ec347f6e/attachment.htm From von-hippel.1 <@t> osu.edu Thu Jun 10 12:45:49 2004 From: von-hippel.1 <@t> osu.edu (Paul von Hippel) Date: Sun Jun 26 08:25:02 2005 Subject: [Impute] Re: Interactions In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I suspect Rod meant that stratifying on X1 is straightforward in the setting I proposed, where there was a single, dichotomous X1 with, presumably, a reasonable number of both 0s and 1s. If X1 has a lot of different values, then breaking the sample into reasonable sized strata is not so straightforward. Ditto if there are several interacting variables. At 01:00 PM 6/10/2004, you wrote: > >>> "Patrick S. Malone" <[email protected]> 6/9/2004 6:55:40 AM > >>> > >On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:04:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Rod Little ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Paul: this is an interesting issue. For the specific case you > > outline, the X1Y interaction should be included; a simple strategy >would > > be to simply stratify on X1 and impute Y and X2 separately in the >two > > strata. That strategy only applies in limited situations though. Rod > > > >Rod, > >Could you elaborate, please, on the limited situations? I use that >approach fairly routinely in intervention studies -- imputing >separately >by condition, to preserve treatment X initial status (or whatever) >interactions. > >Thanks, >Pat Malone
