If the wishlist isn't closed yet.. :) 1) Support my SATA card! Promise TX4 2) Wider support for cheap motherboards!
I say these things from two perspectives: a) that of my own, in which I desperately want to use ZFS and solaris for my storage array at home, and b) the generalized sense, in which I seem to observe a severe lack of SATA chipset drivers. I think the biggest advantage solaris can bring to bear in the adoption wars is ZFS, but I'm obviously preaching to the choir here ... -Nate Smith > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: indiana-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54 > > Send indiana-discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific than "Re: Contents of indiana-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging (Stephen Hahn) > 2. Re: Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging (Roland Mainz) > 3. Re: Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging (Tim Bray) > 4. Re: [install-discuss] Brief (blogged) thoughtson packaging > (Roland Mainz) > 5. Re: Indiana Wish List (Doug Scott) > 6. Re: Indiana Wish List (John Sonnenschein) > 7. Re: Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging (Stephen Hahn) > 8. Re: Indiana Wish List (Doug Scott) > 9. Re: Indiana Wish List (Dennis Clarke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:22:56 -0700 > From: Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [indiana-discuss] Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Danek and I have been poking around at packaging the last little > while; I've written down many of the issues we're juggling > in a blog > post: > > http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/observations_on_packaging > > There's more to write, of course, and I hope to get the rest of my > notes out in some readable form--but feel free to send criticism, > ideas, etc. (For now, I'd like to pursue the technical > discussion in > the Install CG, but we'll try to monitor both aliases.) > > Cheers > Stephen > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:39:11 +0200 > From: Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging > To: Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > > Danek and I have been poking around at packaging the last little > > while; I've written down many of the issues we're > juggling in a blog > > post: > > > > http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/observations_on_packaging > > AFAIK one item is missing: > - The packaging system should work with diskless and/or networked > clients, e.g. clients which get all filesystems (even the root > filesystem) via NFS or AFS/DFS (this feature is very important for > universities or large custers). > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -- > __ . . __ > (o.\ \/ /.o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer > /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 > (;O/ \/ \O;) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:19:42 -0700 > From: Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging > To: Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > > > Danek and I have been poking around at packaging the last little > > while; I've written down many of the issues we're juggling in a > > blog > > post: > > > > http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/observations_on_packaging > > Good stuff! We going to see a prototype soon? -T > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:42:06 +0200 > From: Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] [install-discuss] Brief (blogged) > thoughtson packaging > To: Danek Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Danek Duvall wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 11:39:11PM +0200, Roland Mainz wrote: > > > AFAIK one item is missing: > > > - The packaging system should work with diskless and/or networked > > > clients, e.g. clients which get all filesystems (even the root > > > filesystem) via NFS or AFS/DFS (this feature is very important for > > > universities or large custers). > > > > I believe that's one of the things Stephen meant with > > > > 2. Virtualized systems. As long or longer, we've supported > the notion of > > diskless systems, where the installed image is shared > out, in portions, > > between multiple running environments. Zones was a > direct evolutionary > > successor of the diskless environments, and shows that > this approach > > can lead to some very economical deployment models. Lower-level > > virtualization methods can also benefit from the administrative > > precision that comes out of sharing known portions of > the installation > > image. > > > > in "Old" inputs. > > Erm... but my comment was not only about "virtualised" systems - it's > more a "generic" reminder to keep the packaging system > filesystem-neutral that it works even on NFS or AFS/DFS without > problems. I know that ZFS is "hip and cool" - but that doesn't mean it > will be best solution in all cases or in solve the issues we > may have in > twenty years (as an off-topic example: Each time the i18n > people come up > with the comment that everyone should use Unicode I remeber > that twenty > years ago the i18n experts thought that ISO2022 is "hip and cool" and > everyone should use it exclusively. Every decade has it's own > cool stuff > but IMO APIs should be designed at a generic level (for example take a > look at the POSIX widechar API which covers ISO2022, Unicode, GB18030, > Tron etc. - it works with all encodings and locales from almost two > decades and will likely continue to support even newer stuff in the > following decade. A good counter-example is X11's switch from > COMPOUND_TEXT (which was encoding/locale "neutral" and > _extensible_) to > UTF8 strings (which is Unicode-specific and causes serious > headaches for > cases like the Han-unification and other areas)) and IMO the > same should > apply to the packaging stuff in Solaris). > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -- > __ . . __ > (o.\ \/ /.o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer > /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 > (;O/ \/ \O;) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:35:12 +0700 > From: Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana Wish List > To: John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > > >>> If you package Gnome with Indiana, the vast majority will > just go with > >>> it, IMHO. > >>> > >> > >> If it suits their needs then really what is the problem. > > > > And if Linux suits their needs, why are we bothering trying > to attract > > them at all? > > Does it? > > > > >>> I personally could not care about which window manager gets in as > >>> default. But since this is supposed to be a community > distro, how about > >>> a vote? John has been calling for one for quite a while now. :) > >>> > >> > >> Also I think one thing that people forget is, if Indiana comes with > >> applications like Firefox, OpenOffice etc, then half on > Gnome will need > >> to be included anyway. > > > > If that's a large concern for you, KOffice is smaller than > OpenOffice > > ( and based on other discussions, size is very important ), and > > Konqueror is more standards compliant, less buggy, smaller > & won't run > > off with all your memory like Firefox does, all while still > being able > > to use a majority of FF's plugins > > Go for it then. Start a new project and contribute :) > > Doug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:47:19 -0700 > From: John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana Wish List > To: Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On 19-Jul-07, at 4:35 PM, Doug Scott wrote: > > >>> > >>> Also I think one thing that people forget is, if Indiana > comes with > >>> applications like Firefox, OpenOffice etc, then half on Gnome > >>> will need > >>> to be included anyway. > >> > >> If that's a large concern for you, KOffice is smaller than > >> OpenOffice ( and based on other discussions, size is very > >> important ), and Konqueror is more standards compliant, less > >> buggy, smaller & won't run off with all your memory like Firefox > >> does, all while still being able to use a majority of FF's plugins > > > > Go for it then. Start a new project and contribute :) > > I'm getting pretty goddamn sick of condescending comments like this. > I'm fully aware that I can fork OpenSolaris and do whatever I like > with it. In much the same way that if Indiana goes the KDE route, / > YOU/ can bugger off and start your own GIndiana. > > If all your argument rests on "well, you can go start > KIndiana", then > you really have no leg to stand on backing GNOME as the default, you > just want things to go the way you like because of an over-inflated > ego and sense of entitlement. > > In conclusion, Give me a vote, and I'll shut up and concede to go > with whatever the community decides. I cast my vote for KDE. > > > -- > Encrypted Communications preferred: > > PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 > Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: PGP.sig > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 186 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/attachme nts/20070719/12b5e0e0/attachment-0001.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:43:27 -0700 > From: Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Brief (blogged) thoughts on packaging > To: Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > * Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-19 15:19]: > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > > > > > > Danek and I have been poking around at packaging the last little > > > while; I've written down many of the issues we're > juggling in a > > >blog > > > post: > > > > > > http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/observations_on_packaging > > > > Good stuff! We going to see a prototype soon? -T > > There is a fair bit of code, but it's not yet a complete > prototype--bits already fly around and end up on disk in an > orchestrated fashion, however. I need to take write about the > controversial aspects (also known as "the design"), take an overdue > vacation (coincidence?), and then we'll ask for some > project space and > get the discussions and source out there. > > - Stephen > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:01:17 +0700 > From: Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana Wish List > To: John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > > > On 19-Jul-07, at 4:35 PM, Doug Scott wrote: > > > >>>> > >>>> Also I think one thing that people forget is, if Indiana > comes with > >>>> applications like Firefox, OpenOffice etc, then half on > Gnome will > >>>> need > >>>> to be included anyway. > >>> > >>> If that's a large concern for you, KOffice is smaller than > >>> OpenOffice ( and based on other discussions, size is very > important > >>> ), and Konqueror is more standards compliant, less buggy, > smaller & > >>> won't run off with all your memory like Firefox does, all while > >>> still being able to use a majority of FF's plugins > >> > >> Go for it then. Start a new project and contribute :) > > > > I'm getting pretty goddamn sick of condescending comments > like this. > > I'm fully aware that I can fork OpenSolaris and do whatever I like > > with it. In much the same way that if Indiana goes the KDE route, > > /YOU/ can bugger off and start your own GIndiana. > > > > If all your argument rests on "well, you can go start > KIndiana", then > > you really have no leg to stand on backing GNOME as the > default, you > > just want things to go the way you like because of an over-inflated > > ego and sense of entitlement. > > > > In conclusion, Give me a vote, and I'll shut up and concede > to go with > > whatever the community decides. I cast my vote for KDE. > > John, > You are mixing what I am saying with what others are > saying. I never > did imply 'go start KIndiana'. What I am saying is that there is no > working KDE consolidation on as a OpenSolaris project. Many > people are > waiting for somebody 'else' to do the work. So at the moment > it would be > a vote for thin air. > > Doug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:31:31 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana Wish List > To: "John Sonnenschein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > On 19-Jul-07, at 4:35 PM, Doug Scott wrote: > > > >>>> > >>>> Also I think one thing that people forget is, if Indiana > comes with > >>>> applications like Firefox, OpenOffice etc, then half on Gnome > >>>> will need > >>>> to be included anyway. > >>> > >>> If that's a large concern for you, KOffice is smaller than > >>> OpenOffice ( and based on other discussions, size is very > >>> important ), and Konqueror is more standards compliant, less > >>> buggy, smaller & won't run off with all your memory like Firefox > >>> does, all while still being able to use a majority of FF's plugins > >> > >> Go for it then. Start a new project and contribute :) > > > > I'm getting pretty goddamn sick of condescending comments like this. > > I'm fully aware that I can fork OpenSolaris and do whatever I like > > with it. In much the same way that if Indiana goes the KDE route, / > > YOU/ can bugger off and start your own GIndiana. > > I do not want to see these sort of comments or language in > these maillists. > > I won't stand for it and I will take action to have the > offending party > removed from the mail lists. > > Am I being clear on my life style choice and ethics here ? > > Dennis Clarke > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > indiana-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss > > > End of indiana-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54 > ********************************************** > > Confidentiality Notice This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipients named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should not be read, copied or otherwise used by any other person. 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