Brandorr wrote:
I'm not sure that this is what is happening.
Ian and Sara said or strongly implied that this discussion/decision was
being made by the Sun OpenSolaris marketing and Branding people who were
among the core contributers of the Advocacy (nee Marketing CG), and that
this was a presentation from that group. I'm taking them at their word.
I'm also aware that Sun does not have to do this. It owns the trademark.
That Sara made a presentation about branding at OSDS07 is a step in the
right direction. Her proposal was a great beginning, but it isn't at all
ready for prime time - witness this discussion.
I'm hopeful that Sara, Ian and the other Sun Decision-Makers will follow
up on this and choose to use the Advocacy Community to hold their
discussions, evolve their proposals, and ask for a vote (even if they
don't technically need to). This is all part of /BUILDING/ a community
around ourselves.
I have deep reservations, don't get me wrong. The facts seem to be
that there has been NO prior advocacy CG discussions about this topic,
that the *first* external discussion of this was a set of slides at
OSDS07, that Ian is leading with his mouth without first building
consensus here, that there appear to be over 100 Core Contributers
in the Advocacy CG, most of which are User Group leaders and not
branding/marketing experts, that OGB members will do more destructive
complaining and less constructive leading....
So, instead of bitching and moaning, I've joined the Advocacy community
and submitted a revised proposal. Wish me luck. Follow me there and
contribute.
-John
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On 10/19/07, John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Keith M Wesolowski wrote:
> >> Think about what you're saying. A CG (by definition likely to be
> >> comprised of like-minded people) can make decisions for everyone and,
> >> as long as they voted properly, no one else can ever appeal that
> >> decision. In what universe does this reading of the Constitution make
> >> any sense at all?
>
> In the words that are written in the constitution that I quoted.
> This is what you get when you adopt a constitution that favors state's
> rights over centralized government. Like it or not, we are a confederacy,
> not a federation or a dictatorship.
>
> Definitions
> Confederation: An association of sovereign states or
> communities - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation
>
> Federation: A form of government in which powers and functions
> are divided between a central government and a number
> of political subdivisions ...
> usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/geography/glossary.htm
>
> What part of ...
>
> > 6.1. Powers. The business and affairs of the OpenSolaris Community
> > shall be managed by or under the direction of the OpenSolaris Governing
> > Board (OGB), which may exercise all such powers granted by the Charter
> > for the operation and sustenance of the OpenSolaris Community efforts,
> > maintenance of the accepted procedures for making decisions within the
> > OpenSolaris Community, and enforcement of those procedures when deemed
> > necessary.
>
> ... says that the OGB has the power to override a CG decision? Is it
> under Maintenance of Procedures? Enforcement? Arbitration?
>
> Furthermore, the Charter specifically excludes the OGB from any
> right to decide things relating to Sun's OpenSolaris trademark:
>
> > However, nothing in this charter shall be construed so as to confer
> > to the OGB: (a) any title or right under copyright, patent, trademark,
> > or other intellectual property law; ...
>
> I'm not disagreeing that it would be bad for Sun to do stuff unilaterally
> here, because it would be bad - very bad.
>
> But it would be worse for the OS.o community to self-destruct over an
> internal power war between the OGB and a CG. Especially when the
> constitution is written in such a state's rights manner.
John,
I'm not sure that this is what is happening. You have framed this as a
a CG decision a number of times in this thread. Where did you get that
idea? There isn't any "branding" discussion happening on
advocacy-discuss.
Whether it is or it isn't the right place for it, it's just not
happening, contrary to what you are saying.
As far as I can tell, a private Sun internal discussion is happening
about how best to approach the branding issue as regards to
OpenSolaris.
The first time these thoughts were "publicly" presented to the
OpenSolaris community, was at the Summit, and only are we starting to
discuss the implications.
Ian Murdock, who is "Sun's chief operating system platform strategist"
wants to see OpenSolaris the distro. (Ian has been telling the press
that this is going to happen. He did not consult the community, and
seek a consensus on this, before making this commitment. Thus I can
only assume that Sun's official position is that there will be a
distro called OpenSolaris, and that it will be developed under the
Indiana project. (Although some of the development is NOW being done
in the open, a number of project goals and design decisions were set
to meet Sun's undisclosed business goals).
Because Ian said that Sun will make a disto called OpenSolaris, Sun
now needs a distro called OpenSolaris. Sun doesn't need to do anything
with the community, OGB, CG or otherwise. Involving the community at
this point, when it is clear that Sun has already made a decision to
use their OpenSolaris trademark in a certain way, seems a bit of a
waste of time.
I am guessing when you are saying that it is a CG decision and not an
OGB or community decision, you mean it is a Sun
legal/marketing/executive decision, not an OGB or community.
Just so long as we all understand this, I think that can safely put
this issue to rest.
-Brian
P.S. - I know the difference between ****Sun**** and an individual
that works for Sun. As "Sun's chief operating system platform
strategist", I would say that Ian is qualified to act as an official
Sun representative, and anything that he says, unless caveatted, is
the "official" Sun policy/position.
> -John
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