Thanks, Neil ji. I hardly know any botany & its intricacies. But such a minor variation as to the number of seeds should not better be a variety rather than a different species all together. May be we understand a few things by such discussions.
2009/4/9 Neil Soares <[email protected]> > Hi Mr.Garg, > My reference is Dr. Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra'. Have also had long > discussions with him on this. > Regards, > Neil. > > --- On *Thu, 4/9/09, J.M. Garg <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > Subject: [indiantreepix:10445] Re: 070409 woody climber for id > To: [email protected] > Cc: "satish phadke" <[email protected]>, > [email protected], "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]>, > "Padmanabhan Geetha" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:35 AM > > Thanks, Neil ji, for the feedback. > But top three sites out of four in Google search for *Carissa congesta*states > *Carissa carandas* as syn. of *Carissa congesta*: > http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/products/AFDbases/AF/asp/SpeciesInfo.asp?SpID=18030, > > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077071 > http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/karanda.html > > 2009/4/8 > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >> Hi, >> Have written on this subject before, either on this site or on >> wildflowersofindia. >> Carissa congesta is distinct from Carissa carandas .The difference is >> mainly geographical and in the number of seeds in the fruit. >> While C.congesta is found more in and around Bombay, C.carandas is found >> more in the southern [peninsular] part of India. >> C.congesta has 1-4 seeds depending on the size of the fruit, but the >> number never exceeds 4. >> C.carandas has 4-8 seeds. >> With regards, >> Neil Soares. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/8/09, satish phadke >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: satish phadke >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: [indiantreepix:10426] Re: 070409 woody climber for id >> To: "Padmanabhan Geetha" >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Cc: "J.M. Garg" >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, >> "Devendra Bhardwaj" >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, >> "indiantreepix" >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:44 PM >> >> >> Thanks Geetha ji and Neil ji >> Now the ID is still more certain due to the apt description of Carissa >> congesta. >> We call it Karawandachi jali in Marathi because of its such nature....... >> it seems. >> Satish >> 2009/4/8 Padmanabhan Geetha >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> >>> Satish ji >>> The plant i saw was climbing like a Bougainvillea ( the stems too were >>> thick) and had reached the upper branches of a tree. Hence the description. >>> geetha >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, satish phadke >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I think the confusion started because of the words in the >>>> headline..........woody."hardy climber". >>>> Otherwise the ID was straight forward. Carissa is a shrub. The drooping >>>> long branches appear like a climber. >>>> Satish >>>> >>>> 2009/4/7 J.M. Garg >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> Hi, Geetha ji, >>>>> *C. carandas* is a synonym of *Carissa congesta*. I think no more >>>>> confusion. >>>>> >>>>> 2009/4/7 Padmanabhan Geetha >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Devendra ji >>>>>> *Carissa congesta*/carandas is what the flowers of India website >>>>>> says. The descrition given there is perfect for the plant >>>>>> i saw and photographed. If you feel this is not C congesta but C >>>>>> caranda >>>>>> then please let me know the differences between the two in order to >>>>>> recognise it in field. >>>>>> best wishes >>>>>> geetha >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Devendra Bhardwaj < >>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No sir this is *Carissa carandas .* >>>>>>> *Devendra Bhardwaj* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On *Tue, 7/4/09, J.M. Garg >>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>> >* wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg >>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: [indiantreepix:10341] Re: 070409 woody climber for id >>>>>>> To: "Padmanabhan Geetha" >>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cc: "indiantreepix" >>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 10:10 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Geetha ji, >>>>>>> Thanks, Suresh ji for giving me the clue. >>>>>>> I think it's *Clerodendrum inerme* with stamens falling off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More details from Indiantreepix Database: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Clerodendrum inerme * *Verbenaceae* *Seaside clerodendrum, >>>>>>> Common Hedge Bower, Van-jai/ Koynel * near mangroves in Uran, across >>>>>>> the harbour from Mumbai city. at Diva Creek, Dombivali. Clerodendrum >>>>>>> inerme - Seaside clerodendrum (Lamiaceae) - Plants of >>>>>>> Hawaii<http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/thumbnails/html/clerodendrum_inerme.htm> >>>>>>> Clerodendrum >>>>>>> sps. - indiantreepix | Google >>>>>>> Groups<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/9bc2d286489f1cfa> >>>>>>> Common >>>>>>> Hedge Bower - indiantreepix | Google >>>>>>> Groups<http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/0fbb094e38afa6f2> >>>>>>> Hedge >>>>>>> Plant for ID-5 - indiantreepix | Google >>>>>>> Groups<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/1c84e70eefd55ddc> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/4/7 J.M. Garg >>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://in.mc941.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >> I think it's being used as a hedge.. I not getting the name right now. >> >> 2009/4/7 Padmanabhan Geetha >> <[email protected]<http://in.mc941.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> >> Dear Friends >>> Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the >>> forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. >>> Photographed last month. Request id >>> thanks and best wishes >>> geetha >>> >>> Creating Awareness about Indian Flora & Fauna: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> For learning about our trees & plants, please visit/ join Google e-group >>> (Indiantreepix) http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> "We often ignore the beauty around us" >> Creating Awareness about Indian Flora & Fauna: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> For learning about our trees & plants, please visit/ join Google e-group >> (Indiantreepix) http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get an email ID as >> [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>or >> [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>. >> Click >> here.<http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_dbid_4/*http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address> >> > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > "We often ignore the beauty around us" > Creating Awareness about Indian Flora & Fauna: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > For learning about our trees & plants, please visit/ join Google e-group > (Indiantreepix) http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > > > > > -- > > http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com > > > > > -- > > http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com > > > For learning about our trees & plants, please visit/ join Google e-group > (Indiantreepix) http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > > > > -- With regards, J.M.Garg "We often ignore the beauty around us" Creating Awareness about Indian Flora & Fauna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 For learning about our trees & plants, please visit/ join Google e-group (Indiantreepix) http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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