Hi Dr.Neil & Swapna can you reply to my querry..what is found in CEC? Morinda ???? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Usha Desai <[email protected]> Date: 18 Jun 2009 13:37 Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:13342] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) To: Swapna Prabhu [email protected]
Hi Swapna I am still confused. Is Dr.Neil trying to say that Morinda tinctoria var tomentosa is now labelled as a new species called Morinda pubescence? Cheers Usha..and by the way Rajesh, Baratondi blooms throught the year and Neilji, flowers are fragrant.go to CEC to confirm On 17/06/2009, Swapna Prabhu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Dr. Soares, > > I was just waiting for this second point to be pronounced. It makes some > sense now. > > - Swapna > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> Spoke to Dr.Almeida. >> >> -the original M.tinctoria [of Linnaeus] is not found in the Boriivali N.P. >> It is cultivated for its dye near Nagpur. >> -the M.tinctoria [of other authors] is actually M.tinctoria var.tomentosa >> which is now included in M.pubescencs. >> -M.citrifolia is a coastal species, but in Bombay 2 specimens can be seen >> at the Zoo and at the Prince of Wales Museum. >> >> These references are included in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra' Vol >> 3. >> >> With regards, >> Neil Soares. >> >> --- On *Wed, 6/17/09, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> >> From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> >> Subject: [indiantreepix:13303] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) >> To: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:35 AM >> >> >> >> Hello all >> this plant seems to me as Morinda citrifolia, the reason being >> 1. Glossy and glabrous leaves and petiole >> 2. corolla lobes not hairy. >> hence it is M. citrifolia L. >> also as far as i have observed the fruit of M. citrifolia become >> yellow when ripe. where as that of M. tinctoria first becomes yellow >> then turns to blackish. >> and Yes M. tinctoria is common in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, >> Borivali. >> >> regards >> Satish Pardeshi >> Consultant-Taxonomist >> GSDG, CDAC, Pune >> >> J.M. Garg wrote: >> > Thanks, Prashanth ji, Neil ji, Madhuri ji & Hemath ji for the feedback. >> > >> > Here are some extracts from Wikipedia link: >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinda_tinctoria >> > >> > *Morinda tinctoria*, commonly known as *Aal* or *Indian Mulberry* >> (though >> > these common names also refer to *Morinda >> > citrifolia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinda_citrifolia> >> > *), is a species of flowering >> > plant<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant>in the family >> > Rubiaceae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubiaceae>, native to southern >> > Asia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia> >> > . >> > >> > It is an evergreen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen> >> > shrub<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub>or small >> > tree <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree> growing to 5-10 m tall. The >> > leaves<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf>are 15-25 cm long, oblong to >> > lanceolate. The >> > flowers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower> are tubular, white, >> scented, >> > about 2 cm long. The fruit <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit> is a >> green >> > syncarp< >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syncarp&action=edit&redlink=1>, >> > 2-2.5 cm diameter. >> > >> > The plant is extensively cultivated in >> > India<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>in order to make the >> > morindone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morindone> dye sold under the >> trade >> > name "Suranji". Morindone is used for the dyeing of >> > cotton<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton>, >> > silk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk> and >> > wool<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool>in shades of red, chocolate or >> > purple. The colouring matter is found >> > principally in the root bark and is collected when the plants reach >> three to >> > four years of age. If the trees are allowed to mature then hardly any >> > colouring substance remains. The small roots yield the most dye and >> those >> > above about 1 cm diameter are discarded. The active substance is >> extracted >> > as the glucoside <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucoside> known as >> > morindin< >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morindin&action=edit&redlink=1 >> >that >> > upon >> > hydrolysis <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis> produces the dye. >> > Morindone is a mordant dye <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordant> >> giving a >> > yellowish-red colour with an aluminium mordant, chocolate with a >> chromium >> > mordant, and dull purple to black with an iron mordant. >> > >> > Morindin is also present in *Morinda umbellata* but not in *Morinda >> > longiflora*, a native of West Africa< >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa>. >> > Although imported into Britain <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK> and >> applied >> > to wool and cotton, the dye did not find commercial success. >> > >> > 2009/6/17 Hemanth >> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > I think, the images belong to *M. tinctoria.* >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > *M. citrifolia:* has smooth, shiny and light green leaves. The leaves >> have >> > > citric smell and fruits are not that precisely lobed as seen in M. >> > > tinctoria. >> > > >> > > *M. tomentosa :* the leaves are a bit bigger in size compared to M. >> > > tinctoria. Leaves of M. tomentosa are tomentose I.e. with smooth >> hairs/ >> > > velvety. The texture is very soft. >> > > >> > > *M. tinctoria:* the leaves are shiny but darker and not as smooth or >> > > glabrous as M. citrifolia or not as velvety as M. tomentosa. >> > > >> > > * * >> > > >> > > *M. tinctoria* is very common around and is wild. I am seeing *M. >> > > tinctoria* in Borivali NP since 7 years. *M. tomentosa* is also seen >> wild >> > > mixed with *M. tinctoria. * >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > And hey, there can’t be any rule to the number of fruit ends i.e. no >> hard >> > > and fast rule on the 12 ends. It should be a misconception that >> baratondi >> > > should always have 12 ends. I have seen *M. tinctoria *with more than >> 14 >> > > ends and less than 12 ends also. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Cultivation: *M. tinctoria* and *M. tomentosa* are wild and common in >> > > forests. *M. citrifolia *I think is the cultivated one as I have seen >> this >> > > species only in gardens (there is one in byculla zoo also, checkout) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Experts correct me if I am wrong ;) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - Hemanth >> > > >> > > (the unemployed plant explorer ;) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > *From:* >> > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>[mailto: >> > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>] >> *On Behalf Of >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:46 PM >> > > *To:* J.M. Garg >> > > *Cc:* >> > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > > *Subject:* [indiantreepix:13277] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi Mr.Garg, >> > > >> > > It is Morinda citrifolia. >> > > >> > > M.pubescens [M.tomentosa] has hairy [tomentose] leaves whereas in >> > > M.citrifolia they are larger and glabrous. Also M.citrifolia has >> fragrant >> > > flowes. >> > > >> > > Incidentally M.tinctoria is not found in the Borivali N.P. and is >> > > cultivated more along the coast. >> > > >> > > With regards, >> > > >> > > Neil Soares. >> > > >> > > --- On *Tue, 6/16/09, J.M. Garg >> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>* >> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > From: J.M. Garg >> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > > Subject: [indiantreepix:13265] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) >> > > To: "Prashant awale" >> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > > Cc: "indiantreepix" >> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:12 PM >> > > >> > > Thanks, Prashant ji. >> > > >> > > How to differentiate between two species i.e. *Morinda pubescens* & >> *Morinda >> > > citrifolia? *They look similar to me while going through Shrikant ji's >> > > book. >> > > >> > > 2009/6/16 Prashant awale >> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > > > >> > > >> > > Dear Garg Ji, >> > > >> > > Good snaps. I think this should be "Morinda pubescens". We call it >> > > "Baratondi" due to around 12+ buldges on its fruit.. >> > > >> > > best wishes >> > > Prashant.. >> > > >> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM, J.M. Garg >> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Tree I saw in Guntur, A.P. It was flowering on 28/4/09 & it's >> jasmine >> > > like smell attracted me towards it. I found the flower heads & fruits >> quite >> > > interesting in shape. >> > > >> > > I hope Id is OK. >> > > -- >> > > With regards, >> > > J.M.Garg >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora >> etc. >> > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >> > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >> Indiantreepix: >> > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > With regards, >> > > J.M.Garg >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora >> etc. >> > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >> > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >> Indiantreepix: >> > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > With regards, >> > J.M.Garg >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora >> etc. >> > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >> Indiantreepix: >> > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Swapna Prabhu > Systematic Botanist/ Taxonomist > Bombay Natural History Society > Hornbil House, Shahid Bhagat Singh Marg > Dr. Salim Ali Chawk > Mumbai - 400 001. > India. > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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