hello Dinesh ji and Geetha ji for this species to be capparis it should have simple leaf. since this photograph shows trifoliate leaf it can be concluded as Crataeva species. since the number of stamens varies from 8-20 in genus crataeva, the plant in consideration fulfill this requirement. but i have no clue regarding the species of this taxon. according to my obeservation and reference from Almeida, Fl of Maharashtra the following can be described as
1. Leaves ovate-lanceolate; Berry ovoid C. magna 1. Leaves ovate or obovate, not lanceolate; Berry globose C. tapia Crataeva magna (Lour.) DC., Prodr. 1: 243, 1824; Sharma et al, Fl. India 2: 324, 1993; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005. Synonyms: Capparis magna Lour. Fl. Cochinch. 1: 331, 1790. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Trans. L. Soc. 15: 118, 1827. Crateva tapia L., ssp. odora (Jacob.) Almeida, Fl. Savantwadi 44, 1990 & in Fl, Mah. 1: 51, 1996. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Trans. L. Soc. 15: 118, 1827. Crateva religiosa var. nurvala Hook f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 44, 1958 (Repr.). Crataeva nurvala Ham. in Trans. L. Soc. 15: 121, 1827. C. roxburghii sensu Graham, Cat. Bombay Pl. 8, 1839. (non Br., 1826). Common name: Sacred barna, Three leaves caper, Vai-varna, Wairoda, Nirvala. Crataeva tapia L., Sp. Pl. 1753; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 51, 1996. Synonyms: Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in Blumea 12: 198, 1964; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 1: 223, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005. Crataeva religiosa Forst. var. religiosa (R. Br.) sensu Hook f. & Thoms., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872. C. religiosa var. roxburghii Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 44, 1958 (Repr.); Hook. f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872. Crataeva religiosa Forst.f., Prodr. 35, 1786. hope this can solve some confusion further discuission and reference is still required in this topic on genus Crataeva regards Satish Pardeshi On Jul 4, 10:18 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Geetha ji, > I remember to have got confused reading various online literature describing > disinct *Crateva* species:-- . *adansonii*, . *magna*, . *nurvula*, . * > religiosa*, . *roxburghii* and their subspecies and varieties. > I settled to *C. religiosa* -- the leaves being soft and herbacious ... and > I am sure I too would be contributing to confusion if what I have, is going > to be in fact some other species. > > I have jumped to say no to what you have as *Crateva* only because I had not > seen such form of tr-foliate leaf, and those conspicuous yellowish to green > petals seem to be absent > I am almost tempted to say you may have a *Capparis* species; yet let > us depend on Satish ji's knowledge. > > Please wait for other friends to comment ... > Regards. > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Dinesh ji > > > The description given in the source i have quoted distinguished the species > > based on details of leaf. And the leaf i see in your photo stream of > > *Crateva > > religiosa* is different from the one i have photographed. > > > Further here is something to think over:( and get more confused[?] at least > > i am) > > > According to Hook.f.&Thomson Fl.British India1: 172,(1872) *C.religiosa > > var.roxburghii* seem to share characterisitcs of *C adansonii* where as > > per some sources specially Gamble, Flroa of madras Presidency there is also > > a *C roxburghii* > > > According to Gamble *C religios*a is different having caudate leaflets. > > Flora of Tamilnadu Carnatic describes a similar species as > > *C magna*. > > The tree profile is quite different from the one i see in your photo stream > > as also the way the buds are arranged on the floral stalk. > > > So what *Crateva sp.* could this be? I am attaching another shot of the > > leaves. > > best wishes > > geetha > > > ps *Mavilangam* is the name given to *C adansonii* acc to the Flora of the > > Tamilnadu Carnatic > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> No. Does not look like *C. adansonii* ... are these tri-foliate leaves? > >> *C. adansonii leaves *resemble those of *bael* tree -- dear to Lord > >> Shiva. > >> I have some photos at > >>http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314...@n00&q=Crateva+adansonii&m=text > > >> Regards. > > >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> Thank you Satish ji. > >>> I went through the flora of the Tamilnadu Carnatic to find out the > >>> possible species. > > >>> According to the description available leaves seem to predominate for > >>> identifying species > >>> As per the following description - 3-foliate, leaflets ovate;nerves 5 > >>> pairs (<7pairs),base oblique, margin entire and apex acuminate.This seem > >>> to > >>> be *Crateva adansonii.* > >>> However amongst the description given for flowers the stamen number is > >>> given to be 20-25 which alone does not match for the plant i have > >>> photographed. > > >>> So can someone clarify whether i am right in presuming this to be *Crateva > >>> adansonii? > >>> *warm wishes > >>> geetha > > >>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, satish pardeshi < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> it is a Crateva species > > >>>> On Jul 1, 9:38 pm, Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > Dear Friends > >>>> > Please id the tree, belongs perhaps to family Capparaceae . > > >>>> > Location : Inside Vattakotai fort, located on the eastern coast of > >>>> > Kanyakumari. This solitary tree was growing in the centre of one of > >>>> the > >>>> > ramparts of the fort. Probably planted as the fort looked very > >>>> 'pedicured > >>>> > and manicured' > >>>> > Taken on 17th June. It was so windy that getting a sharp image was > >>>> proving > >>>> > to be quite a task > > >>>> > thanks and best wishes > >>>> > geetha > > >>>> > UT flower.jpg > >>>> > 78KViewDownload > > >>>> > UT full tree copy.jpg > >>>> > 101KViewDownload > > >>>> > UT leaf.jpg > >>>> > 51KViewDownload > > > > 328.png > < 1KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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