Dear Gurcharan, Thanks for sharing this information. The mail was sent again-only because it had not yet appeared in my inbox- until Gargji very kindly told me that the mail had come through. Can we say that the first picture sent in by Prashant is Piper longum? Can the identity of the second picture be established? Looking forward to hearing from you Kind Regards Janaki Turaga
On 9/9/09, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear members > I am still not able guess what made Janaki Turaga so excited about mail, to > send mail again and again. If there is any previous interaction responsible > for this, let me share this excitement. > > Any how as promised yesterday I had critical look at the specimens I had > photographed yesterday, studied specimens again, and am happy to announce > that as for I am concerned, my plant is Piper longum. As a final check I > asked the gardeners about its name. They said it is Pipli, piplamul, a name > that goes with P. longum only. Here is the information I collected the 4 > species considered in the mails on this thread. > > Of the four species P. nigrum belongs to section Eupiper; P. longum and P. > hapnium Ham. to section Chavia; and P. cubeba to section Cubeba and are > differentiated as under > > Section Cubeba: Spikes solitary; fls dioecious; female bract peltate; fruit > with a long stalk- P. cubeba belongs here- climbing; stem round; leaves > ovate oblong, acuminate, 4-6.5 cm long, 1.5-2 cm long; berry with long > stalk.- obviously not my plant. > > Section Eupiper: Spikes solitary; fl dioicios or polgamous; fruit sessile, > forming interrupted spikes; bracts and bracteoles adnate to axis- P. nigrum > belongs here-Glabrous climbing and rooting plants; leaves coriaceous, ovate > oblong; petiole 1.2-4 cm; leaf blade rounded and oblique at base, sometimes > cordate; nerves 5-9 (2 pairs near base, more higher); spike variable in > length; leaf width upto 2/3 0f length, which again varies; bracts wholly > adnate without raised margins- again not our plant. > > Section Chavica: Spikes solitary; fls dioiecious; female bracts orbicular, > peltate; fruit sessile, in cylindric or globose spikes. P. hapnium and P. > longum belong here. > P. hapnium is hoary plant, has stout warted branches; petiole 8-12 mm long; > leaves oblong-lanceolate, 6-10 cm long, 4-5 cm broad, 7-nerved, leaves > usually pubescent beneath, older leaves rugose; peduncles longer than > leaves- it does not match our plant. > P. longum is glabrous creeping plant, branches angular; lower leaves > with 2.5-7 cm long petiole; bladeovate-cordate, acuminate, 5-9 cm long, > almost as broad; upper leaves sessile and amplexicaul, narrower. female > spike 1.2-2 cm. > > In our plant Creeping habit, 4-angled stems, lower leaves with nearly 6-7 > cm long petiole (not in any other of 3 species), lower leaves almost as > broad as long; upper leaves sessile and amplexicaul; leaves not coriaceous > all match with P. longum > Comments are welcome. If there is any doubt, I can still verfy. > > Frankly speaking I have experience with this large genus, I saw and > photographed it only yesterday, and today I went to the University Library > to check things. > > Thanks Janaki for activating me.I learnt a lot. > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College > University of Delhi, Delhi > India > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* JANAKI TURAGA <[email protected]> > *To:* treepix Indian <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:06 PM > *Subject:* [indiantreepix:17997] Re: Piper longum from Herbal Garden Delhi > > > it should have come through > i will wait for some time and then re-circulate it > Janaki Turaga > > > On 9/8/09, santhosh kumar es <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I would like to see the post. >> >> Santhosh >> >> >> 2009/9/8 JANAKI TURAGA <[email protected]> >> >>> I have put the earlier mail back into circulation. Kindly see that. >>> Your inputs would be greatly appreciated >>> Thanks >>> Janaki Turaga >>> >>> >>> On 9/8/09, santhosh kumar es <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I dont think Piper longum and P cubeba are confusing. These two are >>>> quite distinct species. But P.longum and P.hapnium are very confusing. The >>>> later is a climbing shrub. >>>> >>>> Santhosh >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/9/8 JANAKI TURAGA <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Gurcharanji, >>>>> Would appreciate if you could also post the other Pipers. >>>>> Some months ago, there was confusion about Piper longum and Piper >>>>> cubeba species. >>>>> The range and distributio and the uses was and is not much known about >>>>> these species. >>>>> If you can share any information about these it would be very helpful. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> Janaki Turaga >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/8/09, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sending Piper longum, growing in Herbal Garden Delhi >>>>>> Please validate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College >>>>>> University of Delhi, Delhi >>>>>> India >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> SANTHOSH >>>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. E S SANTHOSH KUMAR >>>>>> Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute, Palode >>>>>> Thiruvananthapuram-695562 >>>>>> Kerala, India >>>>>> www.drsanthosh.wetpaint.com >>>>>> Please consider your environmental responsibility:Before printing >>>>>> this e-mail, ask yourself whether you need a hard copy! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> SANTHOSH >>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Dr. E S SANTHOSH KUMAR >>>>> Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute, Palode >>>>> Thiruvananthapuram-695562 >>>>> Kerala, India >>>>> www.drsanthosh.wetpaint.com >>>>> Please consider your environmental responsibility:Before printing >>>>> this e-mail, ask yourself whether you need a hard copy! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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