On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > This doesn't look like Marsdenia tenacissima for the following > reasons: > 1. The peduncle (the stalk carrying the flowers cluster) in the > picture looks nearly as long as a leaf. In Marsdenia tenacissima, > leaves are 8-10 cm long, whereas the peduncle is only up to 2 cm long. > Infact, leaf stalks are supposed to be longer than the peduncle. > 2. The paired seedpods are stalkless here, whereas in the illustration > at Flora of China, they are clearly stalked, and of a different shape > too: > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=85989&flora_id=2 > 3. In Marsdenia tenacissima, the flowers are borne in branched > clusters, whereas in the pic here, they are in a very symmetric > cluster, reminiscent of Dregea volubilis. > Interestingly, the paired fruit of Dregea volubilis is stalkless. So, > it maybe something close to Dregea volubilis. > - Tabish > > On Sep 4, 12:31 am, "Gurcharan Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here are the fruits, it probably finally confirms Marsdenia tenacissima. > please verify. > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College > > University of Delhi, Delhi > > Indiahttp://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gurcharan Singh > > To: Dinesh Valke ; satish pardeshi ; Neil Soares > > Cc: Indian Tree Pix > > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17294] Re: Dregea volubilis ID 310809GS1 > > > > Thanks Satish ji > > I will concentrate on Marsdenia tenacissima and report back soon. > > > > Garg ji, with persons like Satish Valke, Satish Phadke. Dinesh, > Devendra, Tabish, Neil, Prashant, Swagat, Nayan, Pankaj, Rani, Yazdi, Thiru > (and several others actively contributing in the group), who have such a > keen eye, zeal to investigate and not take a names published in Floras > foregranted, the group has a great future. We should not be surprised if > the real face of Indian Flora has a changed look soon. Recent interactions > on the group give a strong indication that probably Indian Flora is much > more and different than what we know at present. > > Not to forget the inputs of our keen photographers in the group, > with little or no training in the study of plants, supplying a wide array of > beautiful photographs from different parts of India. > > > > Please keep up the spirit. > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College > > University of Delhi, Delhi > > India > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dinesh Valke > > To: satish pardeshi ; Gurcharan Singh-sify ; Neil Soares > > Cc: Indian Tree Pix > > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17294] Re: Dregea volubilis ID 310809GS1 > > > > Below is Satish ji's response ... > > > > Gurcharan ji, you had rightly doubted about your plant being Dregea > volubilis. Many thanks to you; an enlightening post. > > Please check Marsdenia tinacissima (syn. D. tinacissima) as pointed > out by Satish ji. > > > > Regards. > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM, satish pardeshi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hello Dinesh Ji > > looking at the pic of the plant which you provided in the link > > i believe the plant is Marsdenia tinacissima ie D. tinacissima > > > > regards > > Satish Pardeshi > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Dinesh Valke< > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Satish ji and friends, ... a search on internet, I found these > links, > > > possibly may help in ID of Gurcharan ji's plant. > > > > > 1)http://www.plant.ac.cn/dan_tu/26/20897.htm > > > 2)http://www.plant.ac.cn/dan_tu/13/10834.htm > > > 3) > > > > http://www.botanypictures.com/plantimages//marsdenia%20tenacissima%20... > > > > > Regards. > > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Pardeshi S. < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> Hello Singh Ji, Dinesh Ji and Neil Ji > > >> please check in Cooke's Flora > > >> it says > > >> Corolla hairy outside......Marsdenia tenacissima (Dregea > Tenacissima) > > >> Corolla glabrous outside......M. volubilis > > > > >> the description of M. tenacissima: A large twinning shrub, old > stem > > >> with grey corky bark, BRANCHLETS SOFTLY PUBESCENT. > > > > >> the description of M. volubilis: A large twinning shrub, older > BRANCES > > >> GLABROUS. > > >> Hence i feel it can be Marsdenia tenacissima > > >> however i had not seen Marsdenia tenacissima, but collected > Dregea > > >> volubilis and can say the pubescent plant is different that D. > > >> volubilis. > > > > >> regards > > >> Satish Pardeshi > > > > >> Neil Soares wrote: > > >> > Hi Prof. Singh & Dinesh, > > >> > Sending you some of my photographs for comparison. > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Neil Soares. > > > > >> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> > From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > > >> > Subject: [indiantreepix:17275] Re: Dregea volubilis ID > 310809GS1 > > >> > To: "Gurcharan Singh" <[email protected]> > > >> > Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> > > >> > Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 11:59 PM > > > > >> > ... I am afraid I cannot voice on that, Gurcharan ji. > > >> > I will take it as normal; however hoping some friend comes to > rescue, > > >> > and validates :-) > > > > >> > Adding common names of this plant: cotton milk plant, green > milkweed > > >> > climber, green wax flower, sneezing silk • Assamese: খমল লতা > khamal lata • > > >> > Bengali: titakunga • Gujarati: માલતી malati • Hindi: अकड़ बेल > akad bel, > > >> > हरणडोडी harandodi, नखछिकनी nak-chikni • Kannada: ದುಗ್ಧಿವೆ > dugdhive • > > >> > Konkani: अमरी ambri • Malayalam: velipparuthi • Marathi: > हरणदोडी harandodi, > > >> > नखसिकणी nakhasikani • Oriya: dudghika • Sanskrit: हेमजिवन्ती > hemajivanti • > > >> > Tamil: கொடிப்பாலை koti-p-palai • Telugu: దూదిపాలతీగ > dudipalatiga > > > > >> > Regards. > > > > >> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > My specimens seem to be much more velvety, is it normal? > > > > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >> > Associate Professor > > >> > SGTB Khalsa College > > >> > University of Delhi, Delhi > > >> > India > > >> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: Dinesh Valke > > >> > To: Gurcharan Singh > > >> > Cc: indiantreepix > > >> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:43 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17271] Dregea volubilis ID > 310809GS1 > > > > >> > ... indeed, Gurcharan ji. > > >> > Few photos attached; for more views: > > >> > > http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Dregea%20volubilis&w=91314344%40N00 > > > > >> > Regards. > > > > >> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > This is what I think Dregea volubilis in flower, please > confirm > > > > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >> > Associate Professor > > >> > SGTB Khalsa College > > >> > University of Delhi, Delhi > > >> > India > > >> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > > > > > > > Marsdenia-tenacissima-.jpg > > 150KViewDownload > > > Dear Tabish I had initially identified and uploaded the photographs as Dregea volubilis (as reported in Flora of Delhi), but after a lot of discussions on Indiantreepix, and the fruit led to its identification as Marsdennia tenacissima, because the fruits in Dregea volubilis are 10-15 cm long and longituninally ribbed. Here they are less than 5 cm long, smooth and brown hairy. However, your observations are very valid. We will explore it further. Let us hope to find a close fit. I tried to fit with other species of Dregea but could not find any near match.
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