Dear Mr Viplav Thanks for sharing the article. Just because a plant is not originally from a place on which the name is described, as in this case, Z. mauritiana not being originally from Mauritius, doesnt make the species epithet incorrect according to ICBN, now called as ICN. Yes the only thing incorrect is the interpretation that it is indigenous to Mauritius. Same thing goes to all species named as indica or chinensis doesnt mean that it is indigenous to India or China. The species epithet just means that the plant was described from Mauritius or India or China. Regards Pankaj
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:29 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have attached a relevant paper by the French botanist Louis Bouton (1799 - > 1878) who worked extensively in Mauritius. It was published in William > Jackson Hooker's Journal of Botany, vol. I, in 1834. In his concluding > remarks on the last page, he inferred that the name mauritiana is incorrect > because no plant of the genus Ziziphus is indigenous to Mauritius. > > Best wishes, Viplav > > El 25 de abril de 2013 18:29, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > escribió: >> >> WOW Pankaj. Excellent search. Thank you very very much. Thus epithet of >> Ziziphus mauritiana is very well confirmed to be based on Mauritius. >> A check on epithet of Ipomoea mauritiana to have some relation to >> Mauritius would be fantastic. Please help at your leisure. >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius >>> Please check this. It mentions that "In 1598 a Dutch squadron under >>> AdmiralWybrand Van Warwyck landed at Grand Port and named the island >>> Mauritius, in honour of Prince Maurice van Nassau,stadhouder of the >>> Dutch Republic. Later the island became a French colony and was >>> renamed Isle de France." >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Many many thanks dear Pankaj! >>> > At least mention of "isle" of France. >>> > While Mauritius is, Mauritania is not. >>> > >>> > I hope we have similar clarification for Ipomoea mauritiana. >>> > You may dig only during leisure. >>> > >>> > Regards. >>> > Dinesh >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> It actually doesnt state anything from where it went to Lamarck. >>> >> Interestingly the first sentence says, Isle of France.... I imagine >>> >> which >>> >> Island it point towards!!! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Pankaj, indeed some authors described plants far from where the >>> >>> plants were found. >>> >>> >>> >>> The gist of my query is knowing the place(s) on which the epithet >>> >>> mauritiana is based. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I was attempting to find it on the internet, I got mixed >>> >>> results >>> >>> and got confused. >>> >>> Now your thoughts helped me somewhat convinced that the epithet is >>> >>> based >>> >>> on Mauritius. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dont mind my collect please. I am trying to find the second >>> >>>> protologue >>> >>>> !!! cant find anywhere.... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> >>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thank you very much, Pankaj. >>> >>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>> Dinesh >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sir Lamarck didnt colelct all plants from wild. People colelcted >>> >>>>>> from >>> >>>>>> different parts of the world and were transfered to Paris during >>> >>>>>> French >>> >>>>>> rule. Same as Linnaeus who never came to India but described >>> >>>>>> plants from >>> >>>>>> India. And same as Jacquin. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Dear Pankaj, ... many thanks your thoughts; it helped me know >>> >>>>>>> mauritiana is based on Mauritius. >>> >>>>>>> "Logically Mauritania should have been changed to latin as >>> >>>>>>> Mauritaniana" ... is the logic true in case of Mauritius? :-) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> What I found: >>> >>>>>>> This species was first described by the French biologist J. B. >>> >>>>>>> Lamarck, from a specimen in a botanical garden in Paris, but he >>> >>>>>>> did not >>> >>>>>>> state why he decided to name it after Mauritius Island. ... >>> >>>>>>> Wildflowers of >>> >>>>>>> Israel. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Ipomoea mauritiana has following names: >>> >>>>>>> 1) Mauritanian convolvulus ... NPGS / GRIN >>> >>>>>>> 2) Mauritiana Morning Glory ... Plantilus ... though Mauritiana >>> >>>>>>> here >>> >>>>>>> is just the epithet, not name of any place in world. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> and, >>> >>>>>>> mauritiana => refers to ancient Mauritania ... V I R B O G A >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> however, >>> >>>>>>> Type Specimens >>> >>>>>>> T: ; ; Cultivated in Vienna from material collected in >>> >>>>>>> Mauritius >>> >>>>>>> ... Tropicos >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Thanks once again ... taking it as based on Mauritius. >>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>>>> Dinesh >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Mauritius was under French rule during the period when this >>> >>>>>>>> fruit >>> >>>>>>>> was described by Lamarck who was also French. Hence Ziziphus >>> >>>>>>>> mauritiana Lam. >>> >>>>>>>> should be based on Mauritius. >>> >>>>>>>> Ipomoea mauritiana was described by Jacquin who again was a >>> >>>>>>>> French >>> >>>>>>>> and worked in South Africa too. I assume both name comes from >>> >>>>>>>> Mauritius. >>> >>>>>>>> Logically Mauritania should have been changed to latin as >>> >>>>>>>> Mauritaniana!! >>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> By the way, this query arose on finding some of the sites and >>> >>>>>>>>> reference books relating mauritiana to Mauritius. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>> Date: 13 April 2013 11:59 >>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:151926] Query :: specific epithet >>> >>>>>>>>> (based on >>> >>>>>>>>> geographical name) :: mauritiana >>> >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> While compiling names of Ipomoea mauritiana Jacq. and Ziziphus >>> >>>>>>>>> mauritiana Lam. >>> >>>>>>>>> - want to make sure that mauritiana is of or from: Mauritania >>> >>>>>>>>> (country in w Africa) AND not to be confused with Mauritius >>> >>>>>>>>> (island in >>> >>>>>>>>> Indian Ocean) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Ipomoea mauritiana has: >>> >>>>>>>>> 1) one name - Mauritanian convolvulus ... NPGS / GRIN >>> >>>>>>>>> 2) its origins ... uncertain, but it has been recorded in West >>> >>>>>>>>> Africa, including in Gambia and the riparian forests of Benin >>> >>>>>>>>> ... Wikipedia >>> >>>>>>>>> Both Gambia and Benin are neighbouring countries of Mauritania. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> BUT when looking up for Ziziphus mauritiana, do not find it >>> >>>>>>>>> pertaining in any way to Mauritania (nor Mauritius). >>> >>>>>>>>> Can someone help me ? >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>> >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> >>>>>>>>> Google >>> >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>> >>>>>>>>> it, >>> >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>> >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>> >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>> >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>> >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand >>> >>>>>>>>> species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>> >>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged >>> >>>>>>>>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>> >>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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