Thanks to Surajit ji, we finally have it in our database https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Kakrol/indiantreepix/lSutUfvKQ5I/yCA9HJQrYYkJ
It also removed our confusion between M. renigera and M. dioica. And Aarti ji located true fruits of M. dioica. Hope she uploads on the group soon. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:25 AM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Sir. I've found the paper just minutes ago, will read when i > return in evening. > > A nice day to you all.... > > Regards > surajit > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yes Surajit ji >> In fact it was this paper which clinched the issue of our plant not being >> M. cochinchinensis rather M. subangulata subsp. renigera. I was about to >> upload the paper. Thanks you sent the link. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:04 AM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Good morning Sir >>> >>> A more elaborate discussion on cultivation and hybrids - >>> http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, >>>> >>>> Our market gives same result, attaching photographs. >>>> These are all either *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera*, or a hybrid >>>> form as have been discussed in one of the links you provided in earlier >>>> discussion - >>>> http://www.academicjournals.org/ajar/fulltext/2011/4July/Bharathi%20et%20al.htm >>>> . >>>> >>>> WILD & CULTIVATED >>>> >>>> I told, in my 1st post, that we have two KAKROL, one wild type and the >>>> other found in markets. I made mistake because 1) i was (and am) rather >>>> very novice 2) i found the plant in the wild. >>>> >>>> According to two or three local people the wilds have much bigger >>>> fruits and can only be found in rural jungles. My sources are all >>>> searching! >>>> >>>> HYBRID? >>>> >>>> As for these fruits, sold in the markets, can it be a hybrid? Because >>>> at least in one of my photos uploaded in the first >>>> post<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/uDu9GvDlx8cJ>shows >>>> glands on the leaf margin at base. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yesterday I photographed fruits sold in Delhi under the name Kakrol, >>>>> the fruits are turning yellow as they mature, almost rounded at the flower >>>>> end (not gradually narrowed) and important definitely longer than 5 cm, >>>>> 5-7 >>>>> cm long. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I had earlier uploaded fruits of plant thought to be M. dioica >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20dioica/indiantreepix/ybpPnAow2X4/RGvr5zE5w9AJ >>>>> >>>>> Tanay suggested M. cochinchinensis, but perhaps my showing him true >>>>> link of M. cochinchinensis he retracted (I now think my plant is M. >>>>> renigera) >>>>> In the same thread Balkar ji uploaded what looks like true M. dioica, >>>>> with yellow flowers lacking dark corolla spots, smaller fruits (less than >>>>> 5 >>>>> cm long) distinctly narrowed towards flower end. >>>>> >>>>> Surajit ji uploaded a nicely illustrated plant without fruits, with >>>>> clearly dark spotted corolla which could identify it with M. >>>>> cochinchinensis or M. renigera >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/W_A0MT3Iv2cJ >>>>> >>>>> Surajit backed it up with another upload with flowers and fruits in >>>>> different stages, and after I photographed fresh fruits two days back, I >>>>> feel Surajit's plant resembles mine from Delhi market sold as kakrol. My >>>>> fruits are broadly ovoid (not gradually narrowed like M. dioica) and 5-7 >>>>> cm >>>>> long. >>>>> BOTH MY PLANT AS WELL AS ONE UPLOADED BY SURAJIT JI I FEEL IS M. >>>>> RENIGERA NOW KNOWN AS M. SUBANGULATA SUBSP. RENIGERA >>>>> >>>>> The same seems to true of plant uploaded by Vijayasankar ji as M. >>>>> cochinchinensis is also M. subangulata subsp. renigera. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/0iL7vLSVB2Y/JIn573UHyLkJ >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps you will agree with me if see real fruits of Gac fruit, M. >>>>> cochinchinensis, with much larger fruits (10-15 cm in diam), yellow in >>>>> colour finally turning red, with more spaced shorter but stronger spines. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120267&flora_id=2 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.edibleblog.com/gac-fruit-a-wonderful-fruit/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.culturalembracebyapi.com/blog/2012/12/fathers-day-chiang-mai-and-exotic-fruits/ >>>>> >>>>> PERHAPS SOON SOME MEMBER WILL FIND AND UPLOAD M. COCHINCHINENSIS, THE >>>>> GAC FRUIT AND REMOVE THE CONFUSION OF APPLYING NAME KAKROL TO IT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
