A number of pictures of *Torenia thouarsii* (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze can be found in - http://www.tropicos.org/name/29201882. So, my plant can not be *Torenia **thouarsii* (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze, neither *Torenia parviflora* (description can be found in FoC or FBI) as have been identified in the blog from Bangladesh<http://icwow.blogspot.in/2012/11/small-wishbone-flower-torenia-thouarsii.html> .
There are herbarium images of various *Gratiola* in the Linnean org. - http://linnean-online.org/view/type/specimen/Gratiola.html, e.g. - - *Gratiola hyssopioides* - 1)http://linnean-online.org/251/ 2) http://linnean-online.org/252/ 3)http://linnean-online.org/33086/ - *Gratiola lobelioides* - 1)http://linnean-online.org/33090/ 2) http://linnean-online.org/33092/ I think, those two herbarium of *G. lobelioides* show *globose capsules*and plants different from what we have in eFI !!! On the other hand herbarium of *G. hyssopioides* above very similar to the plant, *Lindernia hyssopioides* (L.) Haines of eF<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg> !!! *Now, who or what is correct? And what about Giby Sir's bearded stamens?* * * *And also what about flower to leaf ratio, as in - http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/264031?* * * *Sorry, Vijay Sir and Giby Sir. you may be quite correct.* * * It turns out that my plant is neither *hyssopioides* nor *lobelioides*! Thank you Regards, surajit On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > One person, seemingly from Bangladesh, has a plant that looks similar to > my plant in this thread. He identifies it as *Torenia* - > http://icwow.blogspot.in/2012/11/small-wishbone-flower-torenia-thouarsii.html, > which i do not think is correct at all! > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:57 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> One more thing i would like to add that i never mentioned "Haines" in >> this discussion so far. Attaching entries from Dr. Haines. It is to be >> noted Dr. Haines used* "comb. nov.*". >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards, >> >> surajit >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Sir, >>> >>> Let's skip the ID of this plant, in this thread, for the time being. >>> Instead, I try to figure out what is *Dopatrium lobelioides* Benth. >>> >>> We have two posts in >>> eFI<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/plantaginaceae/dopatrium/dopatrium-lobelioides>- >>> 1) Prshant Ji - >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4 >>> 2) Dinesh Ji - >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/kkMwF8g8WaE and >>> there is Flickr a/c - >>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Dopatriumlobelioides&w=91314344@N00&m=tags&z=m >>> There is a 3rd post. by me, irrelevant here, i have already posted >>> info-plates in this thread. >>> >>> One more time i paste the url of what efI has labelled as *Ilysanthes >>> hyssopioides* (L.) >>> Benth<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/linderniaceae/lindernia/lindernia-hyssopoides>. >>> - >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg. >>> >>> I pray Puttaraju Ji's permission for modifying (magnifying) part of his >>> uploaded photographs. And i attach the same herewith. I also attach >>> relevant entries from Icones and Flora Indica (on *Gratiola lobelioides* >>> ). >>> >>> The DATA I find from all these documents (excluding illustrations plates >>> of Icones, Coromandel) - >>> >>> - I am skipping leaf and capsule descriptions, because there are >>> plenty space to form misconceptions from conflicting data in those >>> descriptions >>> - peduncles axillary (Roxb.); long peduncled (Roxb.); pedicels >>> capillary (Hooker); longish pedicelled (Wight) >>> - corolla nearly *5 times* the length of the calyx (*against* *3 or >>> 4 times* in *Bonnaya hissopioides* Benth,) >>> - as for globose capsule, it is not clear if >>> *"*IMG_8549.jpg"<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4> >>> of >>> Prashnt Ji's >>> post<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4>is a >>> capsule; if it is a capsule, i think, we can see same in the modified >>> photo of Pottaraju Ji's post >>> - even blue markings on corolla are very similar in all the posts >>> discussed here; we can ignore the color blue or purplish. >>> >>> The post at >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg is >>> surely *Dopatrium lobelioides* Benth. (assuming Dinesh Ji's and >>> Prashant Ji's posts are correctly identified, though have some doubt over >>> one photograph in Dinesh Ji's post). >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, missed plate 203. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Sir, >>>>> >>>>> The problem is manifold to me for this plant, rather the issue of "* >>>>> hyssopioides*". >>>>> >>>>> There are- >>>>> >>>>> 1. *Ilysanthes hyssopioides* Benth., backed by illustrations (a) >>>>> plate 203 of Coromandel Plants and (b) 857 of Icones >>>>> 2. *Gratiola hyssopioides* of plate 128 of Coromandel Plants, >>>>> along with plate 859 of Icones Plantarum >>>>> >>>>> And there are descriptions as well as illustrations- >>>>> >>>>> 1. CP plate 128 = FBI *Dopatrium lobelioides* Benth., having *globose >>>>> capsule* = *Gratiola hyssopioides* of Flora Indica. i. 141., >>>>> having *linear-oblong capsule* >>>>> 2. the plant, >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg, >>>>> referred by Garg Sir in this thread, *looks more like plate >>>>> 128*(Coromandel Plants) to me >>>>> >>>>> Relevant plates are attached herewith. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>> >>>>>> efi page on Lindernia >>>>>> hyssopoides<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/linderniaceae/lindernia/lindernia-hyssopoides> >>>>>> (Syn: * **Ilysanthes* *hyssopioides* (L.) >>>>>> Benth.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29208146>) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 1 September 2013 14:02 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:164126] Ilysanthes hyssopioides Benth. ??? >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This plant, recorded on 12-May-2013. somehow got deleted from my >>>>>> memory till this morning! 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