Dr Singh-- Sorry, I don't have good personal pictures of D. virginiana, but I was able to get a few mediocre shots (links below) off the internet. Hopefully they will help.
Regards-- Ken. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/senior/fruits/images/large/persimmontree.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/senior/fruits/persimmon2.htm&usg=__094_4_pPoSB-f4sL4ppasw233dQ=&h=640&w=480&sz=106&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=VBsiF2GFVwtBgM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAmerican%2Bpersimmon%2Btree%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG http://www.floridata.com/ref/d/diosp_v.cfm http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/adaes/images/persimmon-sm.jpg ________________________________ From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> To: Kenneth Greby <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 12:12:45 PM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21965] Diospyros virginiana & D. kaki Dear Kenneth You may be right, knowing your expertise with US plants. Kindly upload a good photograph of D. virginiana to compare. My identification was based on description in Bailey's Manual of cultivated plants. May be I will next time catch hold of both types of trees to compare. Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- >From: Kenneth Greby >To: Gurcharan Singh ; [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:01 > PM >Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21965] > Diospyros virginiana & D. kaki > > >Dr. > Singh-- > > I could be wrong, but I think that these are both D. kaki. There are > cultivars that ripen > sweet on the tree and others that are astringent until fully ripe, usually > off-tree. > >http://crfg.org/pubs/ff/persimmon.html > > Also, > the foliage of your tree does not look correct for D. virginiana, which > usually has rather > glaucous foliage. (See attached). I don't know the size of the tree > pictured, > but D. virginiana is a much larger > tree than D. kaki, easily reaching > over 40'/13m in its native habitat. > >D. virginiana: > >https://facultystaff.richmond. edu/~jhayden/landscape_plants/ >summer_woody_plants/diospyros_ virginiana_4760-AN_01s.JPG > >http://biology.missouristate. edu/Herbarium/Plants%20of% >20the%20Interior%20Highlands/ Flowers/Diospyros% 20virginiana%20-%20N1.JPG > > >Regards-- >Ken > Greby > > > > ________________________________ From: Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]> >To: > [email protected] >Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 3:44:28 > AM >Subject: > [indiantreepix:21965] Diospyros virginiana & D. kaki > > > >In our childhood we used to pluck fruits (locally > called Amlok in Kashmir; although Amlok is more correctly applied to D. > lotus, > Dateplum persimon with fruits smaller than 2 cm) which would be palatable > and > sweet only if ripe orange fruits were eaten. If you do the mistake of eating > slightly unripe greenish-yellow fruits it would leave you a very bad taste > and > irritation for many hours. I knew this plant as persimon, a species of > Diospyros. When I mentioned about this to my colleague, who had visited > Manali > earlier, he mentioned that he had eaten unripe fruits without any problem. > Fortunately we found two types of fruits in a fruit shop. The first I > identified as D. virginiana (unripe fruits are unpalatable, and not sold) > and > another D. kaki (even unripe fruits are palatable). Former is Common > persimon > and latter (Japanese persimon, Kaki persimon; HindI; halwa tendu). Local > Manali people call both types of fruits as Japanese fruit. > I am uploading both. Comments are > solicited. > >Dr. Gurcharan Singh >Associate > Professor >SGTB Khalsa College >University of Delhi, > Delhi >India >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 >> > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
