A reply: "It looks me Prenanthus bruniana Krishan Lal"
On 9 November 2013 16:01, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > > Some earlier relevant feedback: > "I have a similar specimen collected from H.P. with me and have studied it > after consulting the herbaria, but I still doubt if this is species > brunoniana. *Can we check out for another sp. sikkimensis*. Please guide > me too. > With Regards > Gunjan." > "Dear All > > after alot of search i could find the following information > Prenanthes brunoniana Wall. ex DC. is an unresolved name as per > theplantlist.org > > FOI considers Cicerbita brunoniana, Lactuca brunoniana, Prenanthes > hispidula as Synonyms > > The plant list consider Lactuca brunoniana Wall. ex C.B.Clarke is an > unresolved name > > The only accepted Name is Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex C.B.Clarke) > Rech.f. is an accepted name > Flora Simlensis and Flora of Muscsoorie describe only two species as per > following Key > > 1. leaves ovate or triangular, not variable, heads few, solitary or > subsolitary, on long stalks: P. violaefolia > 2. leaves variable, heads many in terminal panicles: P brunoniana > Description > From Flora of Mussoorie > description of P brononiana: herb, .3-2 mt, often diffuse, leaves very > variable, , alternate long petiolate, lanceolate or triangular, base > cordate or truncate, toothed or sinuate, often 3 lobed or pinnatifid with > variously cut and toothed lobes, heads ligulate, many in terminal panicles, > , flowers 3-5 in a head, purple or white, achenes not beaked, papus of > hairs. flowers oct-Nov, Dist west Himalaya 1800-2700 mts > > from flora simlensis > Stems 1-6 ft heads numerous, paniclred leaves of various shape: P > brunoniana > stems 12-18 in heads few solitary long stalked leaves always triangular: P > violaefolia > Smooth or rough, sometimes glandular, especiallyon the inflorescence and > nerves of the leaves, Stem 1-6ft, simple or branched, Stalks long or short, > slender, naked or winged, their bases sometimes dilated or lobed:, blade > 4-8 in or more, lanceolate or triangular, cordate or truncate, toothed or > sinuate, often pinnatifid, with large or small, variously cut and toothed > lobes. Heads 1/2-3/4 in long in a termin al panicle flowers 3-5 in a head, > purple or white > FF- aug sept > note This sp has the aspect of Lactuca hastata but the heads are 3-5 > instead of 10-30 flowered and achenes are without a beak > > as Gunjan ji said it can be B sikkimensis, i could not find much > information except a pic which i am attaching here. In bothe above said > floras only 2 sp are describerd. > > *As i can understand the highly variable nature of P brunoniana or rightly > said Cicerbita brunoniana may be in Unresolved list From the above > description our plant may be C brunoniana including the plant of Garg Ji in > following thread *[efloraofindia:55286] Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb73 for > Id- JM > And also the plant of Alok Ji > > [efloraofindia:83787] Kalatope id al260911a > If anybody can conclude from the above discussion pls????" from Balkar ji. > > > "Balkar ji > The only thing worrying me is that P. brunoniana is generally a taller > plant and there are numerous heads forming a panicle. *Here we have few > heads like in P. violaefolia. Please compare with image appended by you. > The leaves, however, do not match P. violaefolia*. I am uploading my > herbarium sheets of two for comparison. > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh" > "Sir Confusing situation > Is this a new species of Preannthes means Cicerbita > *It does not match well with both herbarium Specimen*" from Balkar ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Balkar Arya <[email protected]> > Date: 30 September 2011 07:44 > Subject: [efloraofindia:84785] Flora of Chakrata: 30092011-BS-2:Asteraceae > sp (may be Prenanthes sp) for id from Chakrata Kalsi road > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> > > > Dear All > Sharing pics of a Asteraceae herb about 1-1.5 feet high, lyrate leaves. > Dont have another pics to count florets etc > looks like Prenanthes sp > Can this be Prenanthes brunoniana > pls help > Thanks > -- > Regards > > Dr Balkar Singh > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology > Arya P G College, Panipat > Haryana-132103 > 09416262964 > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& > eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise): > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use > them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world): > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2190 members & > 1,72,300 messages on 31/10/13) or Efloraofindia website: > https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database > of more than 8500 species & 1,70, 000 images). > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- With regards, J.M.Garg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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