Thanks, Dr. Chris. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins <[email protected]> Date: 23 January 2014 19:09 Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:179229] Dicranopteris linearis (Burm. f.) Underw. (?) from Assam-Jan 2014 To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
P.S. Tropicos and IPNI have a different function and are proper Indexes - but do not judge synonyms - it is not their purpose. On , Chris Fraser-Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks, Yes of course you may access the Indian-Ferns group and copy anything. I'm afraid compilation trawl works like the Plant List are hardly serious works - they have no knowledge of the subject and are not aware of taxonomic revision - as their primitive synonymy shows. I never refer to them, but to genuine original taxonomic studies. Latest - but years out of date - a sort of pseudo-scientific list! Best wishes, Chris. On Thursday, 23 January 2014, 11:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks, Dr. Chris for your comments. I agree with you regarding lack of knowldge of ferns in our e-group except for assistance from you & to some extent Dr. Vijaya Das. That's why so many guesses are being made before final Id is determined by you or say by Dr. Vijaya Das. Efloraofindia group has a membership of more than 2200 with members from diverse background & members may through up guesses as per knowledge level/ acquaintance of ferns, if any. I hope more participation from experts in future may provide better inputs in this matter. If you agree, contents from Indian Fern group may also added to efloraofindia website with a copy marked to you for any corrections you feel like. That may certainly lead to better & correct contents in future on Indian Ferns. As regards synonyms these have been taken from the latest list available at that time The Plant List<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-26600130> (2010). Other sources which are available are GRIN <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?412460> (updated in 1999) Tropicos <http://www.tropicos.org/Name/26609099>(seems to be updated upto2013), but I don't know whether it will stand your scrutiny or not. As I have access to these online resources, pl. let me know which will be better to follow (for synonymy) as far as ferns are concerned. If you agree I can put your book Tax. Rev. 300 on Efloraofindia website under File Section for better visibility to the members. On 23 January 2014 10:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Chris Fraser-Jenkins* <[email protected]> Date: 23 January 2014 09:55 Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:179229] Dicranopteris linearis (Burm. f.) Underw. (?) from Assam-Jan 2014 To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> Dear Sir, Could I mention my concern about the level of knowledge about the state of modern Indian pteridology displayed by the E-Flora? I have looked at the E Flora of India page indicated re Dicranopteris - and am worried to see a great confusion of wild guesses and complete lack of knowledge of the standard modern literature re Indian Ferns. Why do these correspondents flounder around with hardly a clue what they are talking about when there is a considerable number of competent and knowledgeable pteridologists in India, and others nearby who are well known there? It is seriously important that this website tries to help people by pointing out the literature available and keeping in touch with the wealth of modern taxonomic work on Indian pteridophytes. For example several different species have been given by somebody as synonyms of Dicranopteris linearis when they are well known in Indian fern literature to be distinct - other travellers guess it is a Nephrolepis and all sorts of vague and general nonsense guesses appear there. But all could have been solved by reference to some standard works which apparently no-one seems to know about. I am thinking in particular of Prof. S.P. Khullar's Illustrated Fern Flora of the West Himalaya, Dixit's Census List of Indian pteridophytes, Kholia's Ferns of Sikkim (illustrated) and while it is embarrassing to have to blow my own trumpet, Fraser-Jenkins', Taxonomic Revision of 300 Indian subcontinental Pteridophytes with a Revised Census List (illustrated). Members and contributors really have to know about these books if they are to identify or comment on Indian pteridophytes. Of course there are a lot of other books, including Sarnam Singh & Panigrahi's Ferns of [a small part of] Arunachal Pradesh, and Ghosh et al.'s Pteridophytees of Eastern India 1, but they are full of errors and mistaken new species, so need great care and background knowledge to work with, though Singh's has very nice illustrations but under many strange names. But apparently no-one on the e-Flora site seems to know accurately about the literature, nor about the species. I have put my book, Tax. Rev. 300 onto the Indian-Fern website to try to make it available as I had intended when writing it - so at least anyone can see that, and the forthcoming new Census List will also be on the internet. If people would like to know more about the taxonomy of Indian ferns at least they can see the Tax. Rev. 300 book by joining the Indian-Ferns group (free) - find it on www.groups.yahoo.com/group/Indian-Ferns - then click on Files and find book. It will at least put people in touch with the complexities of modern Indian Fern Taxonomy, and the references therein will be useful, as also the photos. I cannot post this information onto the E-Flora, so would be grateful if Professor Garg would kindly do so to try to put more people in touch about ferns. Best wishes, Chris Fraser-Jenkins, Kathmandu. On , Chris Fraser-Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Sir, This is Dicranopteris lanigera (D.Don) Fraser-Jenk., which is much commoner than D. linearis in north India. Chris Fraser-Jenkins. On Thursday, 23 January 2014, 5:54, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. Some earlier relevant feedback: efi page on Dicranopteris linearis<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species--ferns/a---l/g/gleicheniaceae/dicranopteris/dicranopteris-linearis> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Karuna Das* <[email protected]> Date: 12 January 2014 09:29 Subject: [efloraofindia:179229] Dicranopteris linearis (Burm. f.) Underw. (?) from Assam-Jan 2014 To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> Dear All, Attached images may be *Dicranopteris linearis* (Burm. f.) Underw.[ *Gleichenia* *linearis* (Burm. f.) C.B. Clarke]. Please ID the plant. Date :30.12.2013 Location: Assam Family : Gleicheniaceae Genus & species : *Dicranopteris linearis* (Burm. f.) Underw. (?) 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For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- With regards, J.M.Garg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world): http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2200 members & 1,78,400 messages on 31/12/13) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of more than 9000 species & 1,80, 000 images). Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- With regards, J.M.Garg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world): http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2200 members & 1,78,400 messages on 31/12/13) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of more than 9000 species & 1,80, 000 images). 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