Didi, Here is Riteh Ji's post - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/6xboS8p0iw8/33UAsi2s0hIJ
There are some sites that show my kind of fruits, but don't know how authentic they are - 1. http://www.quickiwiki.com/en/Coccinia_grandis 2. http://singaporeplantgrower.blogspot.in/2014/03/ivy-gourd.html Thank you Regards On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> wrote: > Gurcharanji and Surajit: > > this paper > <http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?ac=qbe_query&bu=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&tn=protab~1&qb0=and&qf0=Species+Code&qi0=Coccinia+grandis&rf=Webdisplay>and > this picture > <http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/protabase/Photfile%20Images%5CCoccinia%20grandis%20RRS.jpg> > shows a narrowed end at one end... narrow end is still cylindrical... > this is the Bimbi or Tindora I had seen and eaten in Gujarat and parts of > UP and MP... decade ago... we dont get it in Bengal > we get what Surajit has shown > longish cylinders (not expanded at midrif as in that picture from the > paper.. and we also dont get the white stripes, or only rarely do i see > very faint whitish change in the skin. But definitely the short narrow > cylinder at one end... > > usha di > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Gurcharanji >> all this is confusing me >> I dont have your book nor have i seen ritesh's pic >> i see the renner paper but superficially quickly perusing it >> it confused this issue more than clarify it for me... >> >> >> >> *tell me please what vegetable is in the white dish that surajit has >> photographed here* >> that is the fruit/vegetable we get in south 254 paraganas and in Howrah >> and north 24 paraganas.. >> I want to know what it is that I am eating feeding my family... >> >> thanks >> usha di >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Surajit ji >>> As per Cucurbitaceae of India (Renner and Pandey, 2013) and paper >>> supplied by Renner recently on our group, the correct name is Solena >>> umbellata, and it grows only in Sri Lanka and South India, not Bengal. The >>> plant growing in NE India is Solena heterophylla, which does not have a >>> beak at all, nor pointed or narrowed end. This is the fruit represented in >>> my book, and clicked by Ritesh ji. I think it has no comparison with >>> Coccinia grandis in fruit or flower. >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:27 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Didi, the sellers here also say that this is cultivated in >>>> 24-parganas. >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Surajit: >>>>> >>>>> yes thats what i buy it as kundri kundru or even kundro >>>>> >>>>> depends where the farmer came from >>>>> north or south 24 paragana or deep delta sunderbans >>>>> >>>>> dont ask me which geographical area uses exactly which name >>>>> dont know >>>>> >>>>> usha di >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:40 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Didi, keu keu eke KUNDRI o bole thake. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> onakeyi jigish korte hobe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ami hoyto bhul oto kotrte pari >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cucurbita family week e hoyto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hyan Didi, duto phal - telakucha ar eiti anektai alada dekhete. >>>>>>>> Satyi bolte ki ami bhabtam taruli hochchhe *Solena*, kintu amake >>>>>>>> ekjan, je chash koreche eksamay, phuler ja size dekhalo tate kakhonoi >>>>>>>> *Solena* hote pare na. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But couldn't find the key by Gurcharn Sir, except - >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/OlJ_0RHsLAA/W_lsjHsHsCEJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bimbi in sanskrit/ ayurvedic botany books >>>>>>>>> tindora in gujarati, and in madhya pradesh hindi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> nice depiction and cross section, Surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> my understaniding was that tela kucho that helps liver disorder >>>>>>>>> is a bit different (that's why cant go by the colloquial names..).... >>>>>>>>> fruit >>>>>>>>> is pointed at the distal end i think sort of like a triangular end >>>>>>>>> .... >>>>>>>>> (????) vs bimbi is rounded at shoulders and one end is narrowed >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> still cylindrical... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> real tela kucho and this bilimbi /tindora : botanically more >>>>>>>>> differences exist .. Gurcharnji had made a key way back when >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is sold as TARULI in local markets and used as vegetable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Interestingly - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. *Coccinia grandis* in Voigt, Roxburgh and Prain is >>>>>>>>>> TELAKUCHA in Bengali; KUNDRI/KANDURI, BHIMB in Hindi (Haines); >>>>>>>>>> BAN-KUNDRI >>>>>>>>>> in Odisha >>>>>>>>>> 2. *Zehneria umbellata* (*Solena* sp.) syn. *Momordica >>>>>>>>>> umbellata* is, in Bengali - RAKHAL-SASA (Voigt); >>>>>>>>>> KUDARI/KOODURI (Prain and Roxburgh); BAN-KUNDRI (Haines); in >>>>>>>>>> Hindi - >>>>>>>>>> BAN-KUNDRI (Haines); AMOOT-MOOL or TURULI (Roxb.); TARALI (Prain) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These photographs were taken on 3/7/13 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Usha di >>>>> =========== >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Usha di >> =========== >> > > > > -- > Usha di > =========== > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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