I think yes, Garg Sir. Thank you Regards surajit
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:59 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Surajit ji, > Can we keep it as *Abelmoschus* *manihot* (L.) Medik. subsp. > *tetraphyllus* (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. var. *pungens* (Roxb.) > Hochr. <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?310228> ? in > efi as per GRIN till issue is finally resolved ? > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: surajit koley <[email protected]> > Date: 13 February 2015 at 22:17 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:135726] incredible Abelmoschus from Hooghly > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]> > > > Sir, > > Even though I fully accept that Gurcharan Sir is last word on Malvaceae as > in many many other families I would request Gurcharan Sir to review one > more time and give his final verdict. My points of dissent are - > > 1. Whatever FoC says about "conspicuous yellow prickly hairs > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013668>" > it gives epicalyx width only upto 5mm, both in KEY > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100020> > and in description of *A. manihot* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013667> as > a whole. My species has epicalyx with 10 mm wide lobes - pic DSCN5132 > 2. FoP doesn't have *A. manihot* itself, but has *A. pungens* - > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=100020 > 3. Sir Prain listed all three - *manihot*, *tetraphyllus*, and > *pungens*; and with a special note on *tetraphyllus* > 4. Haines excluded *manihot* in his book BoBO and gave KEY & > descriptions of *tetraphyllus* and *pungens* but no *manihot*! > 5. I think flower size, petiole much longer than leaf blade, fruit > longer than epicalyx and calyx suggest it maybe *pungens*, neither > *tetraphyllus* nor *manihot* itself > > Attached here relevant entries, and some related photographs. > > While some authors > <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=XhVI5BluzCUC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=abelmoschus+pungens+india&source=bl&ots=aGVHhRyHkk&sig=sU7Mm9eVRVm7PtN08miUX6H5uFc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0ibeVLqaHM6quQSY-IGIBA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=abelmoschus%20pungens%20india&f=false> > like to treat all of the above as a single entity others differ > <http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Abelmoschus/Abelmoschus.php> as far as > my google search informs. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:01 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >> >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> >> Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus. If we want to go further it >> would be var. tetraphyllus and not pungens, as there are no prickly hairs >> on the epicalyx. >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> As per FoC >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013667> >> *Abelmoschus >> manihot* subsp. *tetraphyllus* var. *tetraphyllus* is found in Indonesia >> and Phillippines. >> As per Haines, Prain, Roxburgh and Hooker this should be *Hibiscus >> pungens* Roxb. >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >> Date: 20 October 2012 at 23:14 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:135726] incredible Abelmoschus from Hooghly >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sir, >> >> If i knew epicalyx was also very important to ID a plant >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100020> i >> would have more concentrated on it, instead of flowers or leaves or fruits! >> >> Species : *Abelmoschus manihot* var.* pungens* (Roxburgh) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013668> in >> FoC or *Abelmoschus pungens* (Roxb.) Voigt >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071338> in >> FoP ??? >> Habit & Habitat : wild herb in a wasteplace beside railway tracks; about >> 5 to 7 feet tall; don't have other figures >> Date : 20/10/12, 12.30 p.m. >> Place : Hooghly >> sites:- >> >> 1. >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/tAMLPLIfrcc/discussion >> 2. >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/8ebHdiIH_X0/discussion >> 3. >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/0SpP7BrrExo/discussion >> 4. >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/Py5nHXWHHtk/discussion >> >> >> Thank you & Regards, >> >> surajit >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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