Sorry Garg Sir, for dual reply, I was engrossed into something else! Thank you Regards surajit
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:23 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > I think yes. > Thank you Garg Sir, the reply should be here in this thread. > > Regards > surajit > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:59 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Surajit ji, >> Can we keep it as *Abelmoschus* *manihot* (L.) Medik. subsp. >> *tetraphyllus* (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. var. *pungens* (Roxb.) >> Hochr. <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?310228> ? in >> efi as per GRIN till issue is finally resolved ? >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >> Date: 13 February 2015 at 22:17 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:135726] incredible Abelmoschus from Hooghly >> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Gurcharan Singh < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> Sir, >> >> Even though I fully accept that Gurcharan Sir is last word on Malvaceae >> as in many many other families I would request Gurcharan Sir to review one >> more time and give his final verdict. My points of dissent are - >> >> 1. Whatever FoC says about "conspicuous yellow prickly hairs >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013668>" >> it gives epicalyx width only upto 5mm, both in KEY >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100020> >> and in description of *A. manihot* >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013667> as >> a whole. My species has epicalyx with 10 mm wide lobes - pic DSCN5132 >> 2. FoP doesn't have *A. manihot* itself, but has *A. pungens* - >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=100020 >> 3. Sir Prain listed all three - *manihot*, *tetraphyllus*, and >> *pungens*; and with a special note on *tetraphyllus* >> 4. Haines excluded *manihot* in his book BoBO and gave KEY & >> descriptions of *tetraphyllus* and *pungens* but no *manihot*! >> 5. I think flower size, petiole much longer than leaf blade, fruit >> longer than epicalyx and calyx suggest it maybe *pungens*, neither >> *tetraphyllus* nor *manihot* itself >> >> Attached here relevant entries, and some related photographs. >> >> While some authors >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=XhVI5BluzCUC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=abelmoschus+pungens+india&source=bl&ots=aGVHhRyHkk&sig=sU7Mm9eVRVm7PtN08miUX6H5uFc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0ibeVLqaHM6quQSY-IGIBA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=abelmoschus%20pungens%20india&f=false> >> like to treat all of the above as a single entity others differ >> <http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Abelmoschus/Abelmoschus.php> as far as >> my google search informs. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:01 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> >>> Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus. If we want to go further it >>> would be var. tetraphyllus and not pungens, as there are no prickly hairs >>> on the epicalyx. >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> As per FoC >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013667> >>> *Abelmoschus >>> manihot* subsp. *tetraphyllus* var. *tetraphyllus* is found in >>> Indonesia and Phillippines. >>> As per Haines, Prain, Roxburgh and Hooker this should be *Hibiscus >>> pungens* Roxb. >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>> Date: 20 October 2012 at 23:14 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:135726] incredible Abelmoschus from Hooghly >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Sir, >>> >>> If i knew epicalyx was also very important to ID a plant >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100020> i >>> would have more concentrated on it, instead of flowers or leaves or fruits! >>> >>> Species : *Abelmoschus manihot* var.* pungens* (Roxburgh) >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013668> in >>> FoC or *Abelmoschus pungens* (Roxb.) Voigt >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071338> in >>> FoP ??? >>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb in a wasteplace beside railway tracks; about >>> 5 to 7 feet tall; don't have other figures >>> Date : 20/10/12, 12.30 p.m. >>> Place : Hooghly >>> sites:- >>> >>> 1. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/tAMLPLIfrcc/discussion >>> 2. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/8ebHdiIH_X0/discussion >>> 3. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/0SpP7BrrExo/discussion >>> 4. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/Py5nHXWHHtk/discussion >>> >>> >>> Thank you & Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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