Thanks, Sampath ji. It is certainly a great input. On 10 May 2015 at 16:18, V. Sampath Kumar <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I thought better not to postpone, so I referred my thesis (ofcourse not > Lits. as Library is closed). > Before going to detail again I reiterate the WCSP and GRIN etc. are > compiled work, based on lits. they upload the data. > In my thesis I wrote, (only required portion I am reproducing, actually 3 > page notes was written) > *Mentha longifolia* is exceedingly polymorphic due to which innumerable > number of specific or infra-specific taxa were described throughout its > range. Briquet in Engler & Prantl’s *Pflansenfamilien* (1895 – 97) > recognized 21 subspecies and 150 varieties. > In India, with the available substantial amount of herbarium specimens, > the choice is, either to recognize unending number of ill-defined taxa or > to admit that such a recognization is hopelessly artificial and that for > general purposes easily circumscribed and well-defined taxa are the only > practical solution. In this case, it is felt reasonable to recognize > formally only one species with the following 3 variants since they appear > to be some extent holding well. > > Hedge and Lamond (1968) in their account of Afgan *Labiatae* recognized > two subspecies *viz.,* *longifolia* and *hymalaiensis* under *M. > longifolia* and considered the varieties *royleana* and *incana* as > synonyms of the typical subspecies *longifolia*. ---- which is followed > in GRIN > > Hedge (1990) in *Flora of Pakistan* tentatively recognized two species, *viz., > * *M. longifolia* and *M. royleana* > ---which is followed in WCSP > But in my work, I recognised M. Longifolia with two vars. royleana and > incana as per my view.[third var is longifolia] In other words Taxonomy is > based on personal opinions and it varies from person to person. > Hope this would be useful in solving the doubt. > > Sampath Kumar > > From: "V. Sampath Kumar " <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:52:48 > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, "efloraofindia " < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:223370] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) > Fortnight :: Mentha royleana :: Tapovan :: DVMAY34/34 > Gargji, > I am to check my thesis and other lits. as I did this work almost 20 yrs > back. I'll verify in the leisure time (as we are busy in arranging > Biodiversity day 22nd May). Definitely I'll clarify this complicate group > problem. > > DR. V. SAMPATH KUMAR > Scientist, > Central National Herbarium, > Botanical Survey of India, > B. Garden (P.O), > HOWRAH -711 103, > W. Bengal, INDIA. > Thanks for not printing this e-mail unless you really need to > > > From: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, 09 May 2015 18:27:14 > To: "V. Sampath Kumar" <[email protected]> > Cc: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:223303] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) > Fortnight :: Mentha royleana :: Tapovan :: DVMAY34/34 > Thanks, Sampath ji. > > GRIN <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?316342> (Updated > in 2012) gives *Mentha longifolia *(L.) Huds. subsp. *hymalaiensis* > Briq., G. A. Engler & K. A. E. Prantl, Nat. Pflanzenfam. 4(3a):322. 1897 > (Syn: (=) *Mentha longifolia* subsp. *royleana* > <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?463717> (Benth.) > Briq.; (=) *Mentha royleana* > <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?313213> Benth.) with > distribution in *India* [n.w.]; *Nepal*; *Pakistan* [n.] > > Accordingly we have been folllowing our species from North West Himalayas > as *Mentha longifolia subsp. hymalaiensis* > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/lamiaceae/mentha/mentha-longifolia> > as > per efi thread > <https://groups.google.com/forum/!topic/indiantreepix/saJgweNnBJk>. (Pl. > also see Flora of Pak > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242423251>) > > As per WCSP <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=350721>, *Mentha > longifolia* subsp.* hymalaiensis* (Briq.) Briq. is a syn. of *Mentha > royleana *var.* royleana *with distribution from Pakistan to W. Himalaya > > WCSP treats *Mentha incana* Willd. as a syn. of *Mentha longifolia subsp. > longifolia.* > <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=2FE795765EF5584CA661570B6C560BBE?name_id=124951> > with distribution in Himalayas (? but does it show any distribution in > India). Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200019816> > does not show any distribution of *Mentha longifolia* (Linnaeus) Hudson > in India. > > Pl. clarify. > > > On 5 May 2015 at 10:49, V. Sampath Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dineshji, >> I think the plant is M. incana as the infl is interrupted throughout. >> Indeed I treat the incana and royleana as vars. of M. longifolia. I am >> providing key here for clarification. >> >> 1a. Spikes slender, interrupted throughout; calyx 1 / 1.5 mm >> >> long, teeth less than half the length of the tube >> M. *incana* >> >> b. Spikes relatively stouter, uninterrupted or interrupted >> >> only at base; calyx 1.5 – 2.5 mm long, teeth more than >> >> half the length to as long as the tube >> *2* >> >> 2a. Leaves sessile or nearly so; spikes compact >> >> rarely interrupted at base >> M. *longifolia* >> >> b. Leaves petiolate; spikes usually interrupted at base M. >> *royleana* >> >> >> Sampath Kumar >> DR. V. SAMPATH KUMAR >> Scientist, >> Central National Herbarium, >> Botanical Survey of India, >> B. Garden (P.O), >> HOWRAH -711 103, >> W. 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Verbenaceae) Fortnight >> :: Mentha royleana :: Tapovan :: DVMAY34/34 >> >> Lamiaceae Fortnight >> mint family >> *Mentha royleana* Wall. ex Benth. >> at Tapovan on July 31, 2012 >> >> [image: Mentha royleana]To unsubscribe from this group and stop >> receiving emails from it, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> <https://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline.htm@Middle?> >> Get your own *FREE* website, *FREE* domain & *FREE* mobile app with >> Company email. >> *Know More >* >> <http://track.rediff.com/click?url=___http://businessemail.rediff.com?sc_cid=sign-1-10-13___&cmp=host&lnk=sign-1-10-13&nsrv1=host> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > ';Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'; > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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