Thanks, Chadwell ji. I think you are correct in calling this to be *P.himalaica *as images of *Plantago depressa *look different at http://www.tanemahuta.com/mongolia2004/imagepages/image190.html http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=106687&flora_id=800 http://greif.uni-greifswald.de/floragreif/taxon/?flora_search=Image&record_id=11811 http://plant.cqla.cn/24/XS18_pingcheqian7100061.JPG
On 23 September 2016 at 10:30, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Chadwell ji, for deep insights. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: C CHADWELL > Date: 22 September 2016 at 20:58 > Subject: Re: Fwd: Plantago asiatica Linnaeus > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Yes, it is a *Plantago*. > > Stewart lists 4 species from Ladakh; Dickore & Klimes list 5. > > The images do not match either *P.lanceolata* or *P.major* which are > 'cosmopolitan' weedy species also found in the UK - though probably > separate varieties are found in the Himalaya. > > So that leaves *P.depressa*, *P.gentianoides* and *P.himalaica*. > > Stewart does not mention *P.asiatica* subsp. *erosa* but does include > *P.erosa* Wall. though not from Ladakh - only Baluchistan and Hazara > plus, perhaps, Peshawar. > > He does list *P.asiatica* var. *angusta* from Hazara and Kashmir. > > *P.asiatica* is generally understood to be found in China (and Japan). > > According to Stewart, *P.depressa* is common in Ladakh. *P.himalaica* > is common on high meadows in Kashmir. > > The images look close to what has been identified as *P.himalaica* on the > 'Flowers of India' site. This also seems to match images on another site: > http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Plantaginaceae/Pltago18a.html > > According to the images provided by the eflora of Pakistan, the images > do not match *P.gentianoides*. > > *In conclusion, whilst the plant photographed by Saroj might be* > *Plantago himalaica, I am uncertain about distinguishing between* > *this and forms of P.depressa. Some of the evidence available is* > *contradictory.* > > *Can anyone help?* > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > http://www.shpa.org.uk/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2016, 7:30 > *Subject:* Fwd: Plantago asiatica Linnaeus > > It may be *Plantago asiatica *subsp.* erosa* (Wallich) Z. Y. Li as only > this subspecies is found in India as per > Catalogue of Life > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/645c99898d34893b2e44d7fff4096f86> > The Plant List Ver.1.1 > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2571417> IPNI > <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=20007836-1> GBIF > <http://www.gbif.org/species/7507109> Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250096584> India > Biodiversity Portal <http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/253268> Kerala > plants <http://keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Plantago_erosa> > Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantago_asiatica> Floristic > Diversity of Assam: Study of Pabitora Wildlife Sanctuary > <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ckl21aP7I0oC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=Plantago+erosa+%2B+india&source=bl&ots=NXc4twvbhI&sig=08P-XWJ9rXMH2nL6uckYcoH28as&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3j8n1q6LPAhVKH5QKHUJ6AwkQ6AEITDAJ#v=onepage&q=Plantago%20erosa%20%2B%20india&f=false> > By > Bora, Yogendra Kumar (2003- details) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: 19 September 2016 at 17:13 > Subject: Fwd: Plantago asiatica Linnaeus > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > I think seems to match with images of *Plantago asiatica* as per the > following: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantago_asiatica > http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Asian%20Plantain.html > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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