Thanks, Chadwell ji. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: C CHADWELL Date: 29 September 2016 at 00:32 Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:86134] ID request-051011-PKA3 To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
*I am in agreement with Miroslav's comments but would like to add some comments. I have not* *looked closely at Chenopodiums in my own country nor Ladakh's. So C.karoi probably is a good* *suggestion.* It is recorded from Ladakh (as is *C.album)*. Chenopodium is a large and difficult genus. Yes, fruits can, for some species be essential to be certain which species but even if the specimen photographed by Prashant had been in fruit, sufficient detail could not have been seen. Most cameras cannot show such detail. Often, one either needs to examine the seeds fresh "in the field" or take a pressed specimen which can be examined later using a binocular microscope. In 'New Flora of the British Isles' Stace comments about the genus, " vegetatively extremely plastic, especially in habit and leaf shape.... testa sculpturing important and sometimes essential for identification It can be examined under more than 20x after removal of the pericarp, which may be effected either by rubbing in the hand or sometimes only after boiling and dissection. The orientation of the seed is important". In 'Flora of the British Isles' the authors' comment, "markings on the testa of the seeds provide valuable specific characters". *Requiring examination of seed surface at more than x20 is beyond the power of most hand lens and camera lenses, so* *specimens are required - which present issue of permission to collect such pressed specimens.* I have yet to attempt this with UK specimens of Chenopodium. Stewart listed 7 Chenopodium species for Ladakh incl. *C.prostratum* (with C.karoi and C.album subsp. karoi as synoynms) Dickore & Klimes list 14! They describe *C.album* and *C.botrys* from a survey in part of what they describe as lower Ladakh. *I am grateful for any suggestions identification-wise for Chenopodiums found in Ladakh - some, like C.foliolosum* *are usually distinctive enough.* Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK http://www.shpa.org.uk/ ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> *Cc:* Prashant awale <[email protected]> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 6:35 *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:86134] ID request-051011-PKA3 Forwarding again for any further assistance in the matter please. "Dear Prashant, this one is some species from genus Chenopodium, probably C. karoi, but to determine it for sure one needs the fruits, which are not visible on the photo. Have a nice day Miroslav" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *jmgarg1* <[email protected]> Date: 3 June 2012 at 16:12 Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:86134] ID request-051011-PKA3 To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> Cc: Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. Some earlier relevant feedback: “*Chenopodium album*, a leaf-vegetable, I think. Regards Vijayasankar Raman” “Yes *May be Chenopodium album*” from Balkar ji. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Prashant awale* <[email protected]> Date: 5 October 2011 22:56 Subject: [efloraofindia:86134] ID request-051011-PKA3 To: indiantreepix <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> Dear Friends, Small Herb from "Tsomoreri lake wetland, Ladakh". Date/Time: 13-09-2011 / 05:00PM Location: Tsomoreri Lake wetland, Ladakh (Altitude: approx: 15075ft) Habitat: Wild Plant habit: Herb Regards Prashant -- With regards, J.M.Garg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1870 members & 1,18,000 messages on 31/5/12) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of more than 6500 species). 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