Further feedback from another thread <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Crateva/indiantreepix/sNa-AQlJcz8> has further divergent views: "I am talking about Crateva species in Maharashtra and based on The Plant List http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/Capparaceae/Crateva/ There are only 2 plant species here 1. Crateva adansonii DC. a riparian tree with globose berry. 2. Crateva religiosa G. Forst a tree with ovoid berry. I think the ID is quite simple from fruits but may not be so from photo tallying. I am not aware of other species if they occur elsewhere in India. Regards, Shrikant"
"Thanks, Shrikant ji. But BSI (eFlora of India) with details & *keys* <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=3379&type=3> does not give any distribution in Maharastra of Crateva religiosa G. Forst." - from me ''Please see all syn in the plant list. They may have given the syn *C magna *instead. Regards Shrikant'' ''I have been watching both these trees for last few decades and I ever did not have any doubt about their id. I also have both trees in my collection Regards Shrikant" I hope somebody can sort out Crateva species in efi. awaiting your feedback pl. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> Date: 30 September 2016 at 13:48 Subject: Are Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs & Crataeva tapia L. same ? To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> Dear members, There has been a lot of confusion w.r.t. the numerous postings in efloraofindia. One issue is that are Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs & Crataeva tapia L. same ? *A. *As per efi thread <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Kf2z4rl0HQ4>: Satish Pardeshi ji has stated as below: According to my obeservation and *reference from Almeida, Fl of Maharashtra *the following can be described as 1. Leaves ovate-lanceolate; Berry ovoid *C. magna* 1. Leaves ovate or obovate, not lanceolate; Berry globose *C. tapia * *Crataeva magna* (Lour.) DC., Prodr. 1: 243, 1824; Sharma et al, Fl. India 2: 324, 1993; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005. Synonyms: *Capparis magna* Lour. Fl. Cochinch. 1: 331, 1790. *Crateva odora* Buch.-Ham., Trans. L. Soc. 15: 118, 1827. *Crateva tapia* L., ssp. *odora* (Jacob.) Almeida, Fl. Savantwadi 44, 1990 & in Fl, Mah. 1: 51, 1996. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Trans. L. Soc. 15: 118, 1827. *Crateva religiosa* var. *nurvala* Hook f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 44, 1958 (Repr.). *Crataeva nurvala* Ham. in Trans. L. Soc. 15: 121, 1827. *C. roxburghii* sensu Graham, Cat. Bombay Pl. 8, 1839. (non Br., 1826). Common name: *Sacred barna, Three leaves caper, Vai-varna, Wairoda, Nirvala. * *Crataeva tapia* L., Sp. Pl. 1753; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 51, 1996. Synonyms: *Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs *in Blumea 12: 198, 1964; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 1: 223, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005. *Crataeva religiosa* Forst. var. *religiosa* (R. Br.) sensu Hook f. & Thoms., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872. *C. religiosa* var. *roxburghii* Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 44, 1958 (Repr.); Hook. f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872. *Crataeva religiosa* Forst.f., Prodr. 35, 1786. *As per this both appears to be same.* *B.* From efi thread <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Crateva$20AND$20adansonii$20AND$20subsp.$20AND$20odora$20AND$20$2B$20AND$20crateva$20AND$20religiosa/indiantreepix/zh3Olhdxtag>: Neil ji states that *Crataeva nurvala* [*C.religosa*] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India. The common species of Sacred Barna [locally called *Vaivarun*] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed by ... at Kanheri] is *C.tapia*. It is a small tree with a much-branched head and greenish-white flowers. The other species of *Crataeva* found in Maharashtra is* C.adansonii* [*C.tapia* ssp. *odora*] which is common around Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly slopes. It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white flowers. Here both *Crataeva tapia* and *C. adansonii* seems to be different. Species mentioned here seems to be different from what Satish Pardeshi ji has mentioned above. *C.* BSI (eFlora of India) with details & *keys* <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=3379&type=3> (Distribution) does not give any name like *Crataeva tapia* either in *Crateva adansonii* <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=3384&type=4> DC. subsp. *odora* (Buch.- Ham.) Jacobs in Blumea 12: 198. 1964. *C. odora* Buch.-Ham. in Trans. Linn. Soc. 15: 118.1827. *C. roxburghii* R. Br. in Denh. & Clapp. Narr. Trav. Disc. Afr. App . 224. 1826. *C. religiosa* var. *roxburghii* (R. Br.) Hook. f. & Thomson in Fl. Brit. India 1:172. 1872. *C. nurvala* sensu Blatter in J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 35: 293. 1931, non Buch.- Ham. or *Crateva magna* <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=3389&type=4> (Lour.) DC., Fl. Cochinch. 1: 331. 1790. *Crateva nurvala* Buch.-Ham. in Trans. Linn. Soc. 15: 121. 1827. *C. lophospemla* Kurz in J. Bot. 12: 195, t. 147, ff. 4 - 6. 1874. *C. religiosa* var. *nurvala* (Buch.-Ham.) Hook. f. & Thomoson in Fl. Brit. India 1: 172. 1872. *C. religiosa* auct. non Forster f.; Dunn in Gamble, Fl. Pres. Madras 47. 1915. or *Crateva religiosa* <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=3392&type=4> Forster f. *May I request members to pl. send full details regarding accepted names & synonyms from Almeida, Fl of Maharashtra * *From the above (Satish Pardeshi ji) I believe Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs & Crataeva tapia L. are same, until & unless some information to the contrary is received*. -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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