---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> Date: 9 October 2016 at 20:00 Subject: Re: Fwd: SK121OCT02-2016:ID To: C CHADWELL <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < [email protected]>
Dear Mr. Chadwel, Thank you very much for your tips and guidance. I was wondering when I used to browse the Google and saw your pictures and imagined to get in touch with you. See the world is a small village . Thanks to efloraindia and Mr. Garg for connecting me with you. By the way I am not a specialist botanist and just a plant enthusiast and trying my best to learn about the plants and pursuing my passion after my retirement . I hope I would be receiving your valuable guidance time and again in future. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 7:18 PM, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Saroj > > Nice to see the images of the plant in flower. *Just goes to show how > useful it is to have images both of a species* > *in flower and at fruiting stage (both immature and mature, as there can > be significant differences). Not forgetting* > *the foliage including both upper and lower surfaces of leaves. One is > not always fortunate to come across a plant* > *in perfect flower.* Now that one can take as many photos as one likes > with digital cameras, at no additional cost, the > way for the future is for keen plant photographers to take a minimum of > 10-20 shots per plant (once you get into the > habit of doing this, it does not take much time) and for on-line > references to be available showing all these characteristics > of plants. If the specimen(s) you come across belong to certain > difficult-to-identify genera, then it may be important to > concentrate your photography on particular features (if you know which bit > is important). > > I have made a modest start at preparing such a site for the Flora of > Buckinghamshire (the county in the UK I live in, albeit > recent boundary charges have occurred). It may come as something of a > shock to view so many images per plant but the > benefits are enormous and it is the "way forward", such that increasingly, > it will not be necessary to collect voucher pressed > specimens for checking in herbaria (though there remains a role and need > for herbaria and for the present, such specimens > are essential to reliably identify certain genera). *I shall keep > repeating that I approach plant identification as "detective* > *work" - the more clues and supporting evidence the better.* > > I am thinking about starting such a site for Ladakh flora (and ultimately > the whole of the NW Himalaya) but this is a mammoth task, > requiring support (in various ways) plus collaboration with others and for > me to devote myself full-time to this (whilst still contributing to > efloraofIndia, complementing, not competing with it) for it to make > significant progress. We shall see. I consider it important to include > images from all available sources such as line drawings, scanned in slides > from past decades, written descriptions. Distributions, altitudinal ranges > and habitats are vital information. > > *There has been a tradition (partly because it was not economic to have > more than a single image, occasionally two, per species* > *in books/guides (and having more, would make very large and expensive > books) to attempt to identify plants by matching with a single image in > such books. Yes, some species are distinctive enough but many are not. > The single, general, often "pretty" photo often does not show the > diagnostic characteristics of a species. Frequent misidentifications occur > this way.* > > *In the past it was not economic to take more than 1 or 2 photos per > plant. A year ago I spent a couple of hours photographing flowers locally > (in a rich area) taking no less than 720 images! But that cost me > nothing. From those I could select the best, perfectly in focus when I > inspecting them on my computer screen. Back in the days when I used 36 > exposure slide film, this equated to the total number of roles I would have > taken (and been able to afford) for a month or two botanizing in the > Himalaya. How things have changed. And even from the early days of > digital photography, the memory cards can hold large numbers of images of > bigger 'size', the battery chargers and batteries are much smaller and if > one is trekking or away from reliable electricity, a few spare, charged > batteries can be brought along. Plus a modest, compact camera with > macro-facility can take excellent images and be kept safely in a shirt > pocket - no need for tripods or changing lenses.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > *To:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; C CHADWELL < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, 9 October 2016, 14:00 > *Subject:* Re: Fwd: SK121OCT02-2016:ID > > Dear Mr. Garg/Mr. Chadwell, > > Thank you for the ID. I could not ID from the fruits only . Now I remember > it was already > ID from the flowers. Enclosing some pictures shot on the way to > Kalinchowk Dolakha Nepal > on 24 July 2014 at around 8-9000 ft. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 9:46 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *C CHADWELL* <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com > <[email protected]>> > Date: 7 October 2016 at 23:59 > Subject: Re: Fwd: SK121OCT02-2016:ID > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > This is *Hymenopogon parasiticus* - a small epiphytic shrub belonging to > the Rubiaceae (the Madder Family). > It has terminal branched flat-topped clusters of creamy-white tubular > flowers plus prominent long narrow white bracts. > The capsules are cylindrical. There is a photo in 'Flowers of the > Himalaya' but that shows the flowers, rather than the > young fruits as in your images, making it harder to "match" especially > with that image with dark green leaves and the > bracts being less prominent. > > Most helpful, Saroj, to have several good shots incl. habit, habitat, > close-ups of fruits plus upper & lower surface of leaves - > rather than only 1 or 2 images shot in less close-up. Keep up the good > work. > > 'Flowers of Himalaya' give a distribution of what was Uttaranachal to SW > China & SE Asia @ 1600-2800. It is not > found in the NW Himalaya. A forest epiphyte. I first observed this next > to the Naryanswamy Ashram in Kumaon, > close to border with West Nepal. > > 'Flora of Kathmandu Valley' (1986) says it occurs on trunks of tall trees > in oak forest @ 1950-2286m. Flowering May-Aug, > futing Sep-March known as 'Gabre Kath'. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>> > *Cc:* Nidhan Singh <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, 7 October 2016, 11:19 > *Subject:* Fwd: SK121OCT02-2016:ID > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: 2 October 2016 at 16:11 > Subject: SK121OCT02-2016:ID > To: efloraofindia <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Members, > > Sharing some pictures for ID shot at Chandragiri Hill Kathmandu on 19 > September 2016 at 8200 ft. > > It was on a tree and looks like parasitic plant. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > > > > -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). 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