Dear Dr Singh Would be helpful to know the altitudinal range of locations in Gori Valley where you found this Echinops? I do not have any check-lists for Uttarakhand to help but 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' Vol III (1982)only lists 2 species: E.cornigerus and E.niveus. This publication gives a distribution for every species and altitudinalrange in Nepal. It is likely that your specimen is one of these species. Does not match what I understand to be E.cornigerus E.cornigerus is recorded (in Nepal) from 2400-3300m; E.niveus from 1400-1700m (only in W.Nepal). Your images certainly look very different to the E.cornigerus I know from Ladakh (accepting that the climatic conditionswould be much more arid and hot during summer months than in the Gori Valley). Yes, the foliage is markedly dissected but I am not familiar with this species in the wild. I draw your attention to a pressed specimen in the Kew herbarium collected by Blinkworth almost 200 years ago (I think in what is now Uttarakhand) with similar dissected foliage of E.niveus. There is also a specimen from what was Burma named as var. burmanicus which suggests varieties have been recognised. The line drawing of E.niveus in 'Flora Simlensis' shows dissected foliage with linear lobes. I also note that Stewart records E.niveus to 2700m and Eastwards to Garwhal. Will the elevation you found this globe thistle helpprovide supporting evidence, or not?
Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> To: efloraofindia <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: Nidhan Singh <nidhansingh...@gmail.com>; chrischadwell...@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 9:47 Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:157618] Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid Heads: Echinops for id from Gori Valley- NS 47 Forwarding again for Id assistance please.Some earlier relevant feedback: | May be Echinops niveus Krishan Lal | | It may be some other species in view of comments of Chadwell ji in another thread. | ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nidhan Singh <nidhansingh...@gmail.com> Date: 14 June 2013 at 19:54 Subject: [efloraofindia:157618] Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid Heads: Echinops for id from Gori Valley- NS 47 To: indiantreepix <email@example.com> Dear All, This Echinops? sp. was shot from various locations in Gori valley area..the flower heads are bluish, the spines shorter than the flowers in mature heads, leaves much dissected than Echinops niveus..please help to fix the id... -- Regards, Dr. Nidhan SinghAssistant Professor Department of Botany I.B. (PG) College Panipat-132103 Haryana Ph.: 09416371227 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/ groups/opt_out. -- With regards, J.M.Garg'Creating awareness of IndianFlora & Fauna'Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. For identification,learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ joinour EfloraofindiaGoogle e-group (largestin the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) orEfloraofindia website (with a species database of more than11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.Also author of 'APhotoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.