Pleased to learn of this. But Saussurea glacialis is not on 'The Plant List' as an accepted name. Nor isthe synonym in the link. Can you say which species it is included under in 'The Plant List'? Saussurea remains a difficult genus with frequent mix-ups. May I request (and this applies for every plant ofevery genus) that photographers take more than just one general shot (covering the plant's habit and flowers).It is so helpful for reliably identifying plants to have close-ups of various parts of the flowers (or flower-heads in thecase of Saussurea) not forgetting close-ups of leaves (both upper and lower surface) plus a habitat shot or two. Nowadays I am to take a minimum of 10-20 images per plant. I appreciated it is demanding to do this at the highest altitudes esp.4000-5000m but with practise one speeds up and gets into doing this automatically. It is often so much harder to attempt to name a plant from a single image, which at times does not show the important details.Yes, it is possible to do this is many cases but other times it becomes very difficult - and for others, using such images, itdoes not help much when distinguishing between closely-related species. Often the images in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' e.g.though good enough when published in the early 1980s (and only economic to printed a single image per species), with theaid of digital photography and web-sites, we need to be aiming to have, at the least, several images for each species. At times we are trying to do the impossible with images which do not show the characteristics we need to see to be confidentas to identifications. And we need images of a species from a number of locations, which help to illustrate intra-specific variation,helping us not to think something belongs to a different species altogether or mistakenly that it is "new to science". I went through Stewart again and see that S.glacialis Herder was given as a synonym for S.chthonocephala Bornm. - recorded from Chitral but not Ladakh. It was said to be near S.thomsonii Clarke. As for S.thomsonii this was recorded from Nubra & Tibet, described as dwarf, stemless, coriaceous, heads small, congested. Like a dwarf S.atkiinsonii - which was recorded as common on alpine meadows in Kashmir. I note that Dickore & Klimes record S.glacialis from Ladakh.
Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> To: efloraofindia <email@example.com> Cc: D.S Rawat <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com>; chrischadwell...@btinternet.com; Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2016, 16:18 Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Saussurea inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11 Forwarding again for Id assistance please.Some earlier relevant feedback: | Interesting Saussurea species. A trans-Himalayan one as I suppose. S. inversa is not known in Uttarakhand. DSRawat Pantnagar | | This is a new 'species' for me but I am doubtful it is S.inversa on the basis of the image taken in Paddar Valley named as such on the FOI site see: http://www.flowersofindia.net/ catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow% 20Lotus.html which is presumably where the provisional name came from matching with? Not recorded from Ladakh or known in Stewart's day (assuming it is found in W.Himalaya). Not in 'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'. Many 'new' species have been described in the Himalaya in recent decades - a complicated genus (like so many). As for existing species, there is much confusion between S.simpsoniana and S.gossypiphora in the W.Himalaya. As two of our members named the image on the FOI site they are in a much better position to comment further, especially as I do not recognise these images or the one from the Paddar Valley but the images do not come close to me. Just noticed that an article on Research Gate, see: https://www.researchgate.net/ publication/272383552_The_ genus_Saussurea_Compositae_ Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_ and_nomenclatural_notes states that S.sorocephala var. glabrata is raised to specific rank as S.inversa. Stewart had S.sorocephala Schrenk as a synonym of S.gnaphalodes (which is common in Laadkh); he thought this variety seemed to be the same as S.hypsipeta Diels (yet does not list this species in his Catalogue) and probably should be considered only to be a glabrate form. Saussurea hypsipeta is listed by Dickore & Klimes from Ladakh - there is an excellent image of it by our member Miroslav: http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_ eng.html. Clearly, Miroslav may be able to comment in a more informed way than me. --- from Chris Chadwell ji. | | To me it appears close to Saussurea glacialis Herder as per image herein. | ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> Date: 6 October 2016 at 22:48 Subject: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Saussurea inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11 To: indiantreepix <firstname.lastname@example.org> Dear All, Saussurea inversa for validation. Photo taken just after crossing Lipulekh pass (China border) on Aug 27, 2016. Height approx 15000 feet. -- With Regards, Narendra Joshi-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout. -- With regards, J.M.Garg'Creating awareness of IndianFlora & Fauna'Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. For identification,learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ joinour EfloraofindiaGoogle e-group (largestin the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) orEfloraofindia website (with a species database of more than11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.Also author of 'APhotoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.