Pleased to learn of this.  But Saussurea glacialis is not on 'The Plant List' 
as an accepted name.  Nor isthe synonym in the link.  Can you say which species 
it is included under in 'The Plant List'?
Saussurea remains a difficult genus with frequent mix-ups.  May I request (and 
this applies for every plant ofevery genus) that photographers take more than 
just one general shot (covering the plant's habit and flowers).It is so helpful 
for reliably identifying plants to have close-ups of various parts of the 
flowers (or flower-heads in thecase of Saussurea) not forgetting close-ups of 
leaves (both upper and lower surface) plus a habitat shot or two. Nowadays I am 
to take a minimum of 10-20 images per plant.  I appreciated it is demanding to 
do this at the highest altitudes esp.4000-5000m but with practise one speeds up 
and gets into doing this automatically.
It is often so much harder to attempt to name a plant from a single image, 
which at times does not show the important details.Yes, it is possible to do 
this is many cases but other times it becomes very difficult - and for others, 
using such images, itdoes not help much when distinguishing between 
closely-related species.  Often the images in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' 
e.g.though good enough when published in the early 1980s (and only economic to 
printed a single image per species), with theaid of digital photography and 
web-sites, we need to be aiming to have, at the least, several images for each 
At times we are trying to do the impossible with images which do not show the 
characteristics we need to see to be confidentas to identifications.   And we 
need images of a species from a number of locations, which help to illustrate 
intra-specific variation,helping us not to think something belongs to a 
different species altogether or mistakenly that it is "new to science".
I went through Stewart again and see that S.glacialis Herder was given as a 
synonym for S.chthonocephala Bornm. - recorded from Chitral but not Ladakh.  It 
was said to be near S.thomsonii Clarke.
As for S.thomsonii this was recorded from Nubra & Tibet, described as dwarf, 
stemless, coriaceous, heads small, congested. Like a dwarf S.atkiinsonii - 
which was recorded as common on alpine meadows in Kashmir.
I note that Dickore & Klimes record S.glacialis from Ladakh.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

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Narendra Joshi <>
 Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2016, 16:18
 Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Saussurea 
inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11
Forwarding again for Id assistance please.Some earlier relevant feedback:       
|  Interesting Saussurea species. A trans-Himalayan one as I suppose.
S. inversa is not known in Uttarakhand.
DSRawat Pantnagar   |
|   This is a new 'species' for me but I am doubtful it is S.inversa on the 
basis of the image taken in Paddar Valley named as such on the FOI site see: catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow% 20Lotus.html  
which is presumably where the provisional name came from matching with?  Not 
recorded from Ladakh or known in Stewart's day (assuming it is found in 
W.Himalaya).  Not in 'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'.  Many 'new' 
species have been described in the Himalaya in recent decades - a complicated 
genus (like so many).  
As for existing species, there is much confusion between S.simpsoniana and 
S.gossypiphora in the W.Himalaya.  
As two of our members named the image on the FOI site they are in a much better 
position to comment further, especially as I do not recognise these images or 
the one from the Paddar Valley but the images do not come close to me.
Just noticed that an article on Research Gate, see: publication/272383552_The_ 
genus_Saussurea_Compositae_ Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_ 
and_nomenclatural_notes  states that S.sorocephala var. glabrata is raised to 
specific rank as S.inversa.  Stewart had S.sorocephala Schrenk as a synonym of 
S.gnaphalodes (which is common in Laadkh); he thought this variety seemed to be 
the same as S.hypsipeta Diels (yet does not list this species in his Catalogue) 
and probably should be considered only to be a glabrate form.   Saussurea 
hypsipeta is listed by Dickore & Klimes from Ladakh - there is an excellent 
image of it by our member Miroslav: 
ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_ eng.html.
Clearly, Miroslav may be able to comment in a more informed way than me. --- 
from Chris Chadwell ji.  |
|  To me it appears close to Saussurea glacialis Herder as per image herein.   |

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NSJ-OCT 16/11
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Dear All,

Saussurea inversa for validation. Photo taken just after crossing Lipulekh pass 
(China border) on Aug 27, 2016. Height approx 15000 feet.

With Regards,
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