Thanks, Chadwell ji. Pl. check it is there: The Plant List Ver. 1.1 <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/gcc-23208?ref=tpl1> Flora of China <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097345>
On 16 October 2016 at 04:47, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> wrote: > Pleased to learn of this. But *Saussurea glacialis* is not on 'The Plant > List' as an accepted name. Nor is > the synonym in the link. *Can you say which species it is included under > in 'The Plant List'?* > > *Saussurea remains a difficult genus with frequent mix-ups. May I request > (and this applies for every plant of* > *every genus) that photographers take more than just one general shot > (covering the plant's habit and flowers).* > *It is so helpful for reliably identifying plants to have close-ups of > various parts of the flowers (or flower-heads in the* > *case of Saussurea) not forgetting close-ups of leaves (both upper and > lower surface) plus a habitat shot or two. Nowadays * > *I am to take a minimum of 10-20 images per plant. I appreciated it is > demanding to do this at the highest altitudes esp.* > *4000-5000m but with practise one speeds up and gets into doing this > automatically.* > > *It is often so much harder to attempt to name a plant from a single > image, which at times does not show the important details.* > *Yes, it is possible to do this is many cases but other times it becomes > very difficult - and for others, using such images, it* > *does not help much when distinguishing between closely-related species. > Often the images in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' e.g.* > *though good enough when published in the early 1980s (and only economic > to printed a single image per species), with the* > *aid of digital photography and web-sites, we need to be aiming to have, > at the least, several images for each species.* > > *At times we are trying to do the impossible with images which do not show > the characteristics we need to see to be confident* > *as to identifications. And we need images of a species from a number of > locations, which help to illustrate intra-specific variation,* > *helping us not to think something belongs to a different species > altogether or mistakenly that it is "new to science".* > > I went through Stewart again and see that *S.glacialis* Herder was given > as a synonym for *S.chthonocephala* Bornm. - recorded from Chitral but > not Ladakh. It was said to be near *S.thomsonii* Clarke. > > As for *S.thomsonii* this was recorded from Nubra & Tibet, described as > dwarf, stemless, coriaceous, heads small, congested. Like a dwarf > *S.atkiinsonii* - which was recorded as common on alpine meadows in > Kashmir. > > I note that Dickore & Klimes record *S.glacialis* from Ladakh. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > *To:* efloraofindia <firstname.lastname@example.org> > *Cc:* D.S Rawat <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com>; > chrischadwell...@btinternet.com; Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, 15 October 2016, 16:18 > *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar > Yatra::Saussurea inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11 > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > Some earlier relevant feedback: > Interesting Saussurea species. A trans-Himalayan one as I suppose. > S. inversa is not known in Uttarakhand. > DSRawat Pantnagar > > This is a new 'species' for me but I am doubtful it is *S.inversa* on the > basis of the image taken in Paddar Valley named as such on the FOI site > see: http://www.flowersofindia.net/ catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow% > 20Lotus.html > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow%20Lotus.html> > which is presumably where the provisional name came from matching with? > Not recorded from Ladakh or known in Stewart's day (assuming it is found in > W.Himalaya). Not in 'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'. Many > 'new' species have been described in the Himalaya in recent decades - a > complicated genus (like so many). > > As for existing species, there is much confusion between *S.simpsoniana* > and *S.gossypiphora* in the W.Himalaya. > > As two of our members named the image on the FOI site they are in a much > better position to comment further, especially as I do not recognise these > images or the one from the Paddar Valley but the images do not come close > to me. > > Just noticed that an article on Research Gate, see: > https://www.researchgate.net/ > publication/272383552_The_ genus_Saussurea_Compositae_ > Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_ and_nomenclatural_notes > <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272383552_The_genus_Saussurea_Compositae_Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_and_nomenclatural_notes> > states that *S.sorocephala* var. glabrata is raised to specific rank as > *S.inversa*. Stewart had *S.sorocephala* Schrenk as a synonym of > *S.gnaphalodes* (which is common in Laadkh); he thought this variety > seemed to be the same as *S.hypsipeta* Diels (yet does not list this > species in his Catalogue) and probably should be considered only to be a > glabrate form. *Saussurea hypsipeta* is listed by Dickore & Klimes from > Ladakh - there is an excellent image of it by our member Miroslav: > http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ > ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_ eng.html > <http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_eng.html>. > > Clearly, Miroslav may be able to comment in a more informed way than me. > --- from Chris Chadwell ji. > To me it appears close to *Saussurea glacialis* Herder > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/saussurea/saussurea-glacialis> > as > per image herein. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Narendra Joshi* <narend...@gmail.com> > Date: 6 October 2016 at 22:48 > Subject: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Saussurea > inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11 > To: indiantreepix <email@example.com> > > > Dear All, > > Saussurea inversa for validation. 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