Thanks, Chadwell ji.
Pl. check it is there:
The Plant List Ver. 1.1
<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/gcc-23208?ref=tpl1>
Flora of China
<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097345>


On 16 October 2016 at 04:47, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Pleased to learn of this.  But *Saussurea glacialis* is not on 'The Plant
> List' as an accepted name.  Nor is
> the synonym in the link.  *Can you say which species it is included under
> in 'The Plant List'?*
>
> *Saussurea remains a difficult genus with frequent mix-ups.  May I request
> (and this applies for every plant of*
> *every genus) that photographers take more than just one general shot
> (covering the plant's habit and flowers).*
> *It is so helpful for reliably identifying plants to have close-ups of
> various parts of the flowers (or flower-heads in the*
> *case of Saussurea) not forgetting close-ups of leaves (both upper and
> lower surface) plus a habitat shot or two. Nowadays *
> *I am to take a minimum of 10-20 images per plant.  I appreciated it is
> demanding to do this at the highest altitudes esp.*
> *4000-5000m but with practise one speeds up and gets into doing this
> automatically.*
>
> *It is often so much harder to attempt to name a plant from a single
> image, which at times does not show the important details.*
> *Yes, it is possible to do this is many cases but other times it becomes
> very difficult - and for others, using such images, it*
> *does not help much when distinguishing between closely-related species.
> Often the images in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' e.g.*
> *though good enough when published in the early 1980s (and only economic
> to printed a single image per species), with the*
> *aid of digital photography and web-sites, we need to be aiming to have,
> at the least, several images for each species.*
>
> *At times we are trying to do the impossible with images which do not show
> the characteristics we need to see to be confident*
> *as to identifications.   And we need images of a species from a number of
> locations, which help to illustrate intra-specific variation,*
> *helping us not to think something belongs to a different species
> altogether or mistakenly that it is "new to science".*
>
> I went through Stewart again and see that *S.glacialis* Herder was given
> as a synonym for *S.chthonocephala* Bornm. - recorded from Chitral but
> not Ladakh.  It was said to be near *S.thomsonii* Clarke.
>
> As for *S.thomsonii* this was recorded from Nubra & Tibet, described as
> dwarf, stemless, coriaceous, heads small, congested. Like a dwarf
> *S.atkiinsonii* - which was recorded as common on alpine meadows in
> Kashmir.
>
> I note that Dickore & Klimes record *S.glacialis* from Ladakh.
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
>
> Chris Chadwell
>
>
> 81 Parlaunt Road
> SLOUGH
> SL3 8BE
> UK
>
> www.shpa.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
> *To:* efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
> *Cc:* D.S Rawat <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com>;
> chrischadwell...@btinternet.com; Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 15 October 2016, 16:18
> *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar
> Yatra::Saussurea inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11
>
> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
> Some earlier relevant feedback:
> Interesting Saussurea species. A trans-Himalayan one as I suppose.
> S. inversa is not known in Uttarakhand.
> DSRawat Pantnagar
>
> This is a new 'species' for me but I am doubtful it is *S.inversa* on the
> basis of the image taken in Paddar Valley named as such on the FOI site
> see: http://www.flowersofindia.net/ catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow%
> 20Lotus.html
> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow%20Lotus.html>
> which is presumably where the provisional name came from matching with?
> Not recorded from Ladakh or known in Stewart's day (assuming it is found in
> W.Himalaya).  Not in 'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'.  Many
> 'new' species have been described in the Himalaya in recent decades - a
> complicated genus (like so many).
>
> As for existing species, there is much confusion between *S.simpsoniana*
> and *S.gossypiphora* in the W.Himalaya.
>
> As two of our members named the image on the FOI site they are in a much
> better position to comment further, especially as I do not recognise these
> images or the one from the Paddar Valley but the images do not come close
> to me.
>
> Just noticed that an article on Research Gate, see: 
> https://www.researchgate.net/
> publication/272383552_The_ genus_Saussurea_Compositae_
> Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_ and_nomenclatural_notes
> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272383552_The_genus_Saussurea_Compositae_Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_and_nomenclatural_notes>
> states that *S.sorocephala* var. glabrata is raised to specific rank as
> *S.inversa*.  Stewart had *S.sorocephala* Schrenk as a synonym of
> *S.gnaphalodes* (which is common in Laadkh); he thought this variety
> seemed to be the same as *S.hypsipeta* Diels (yet does not list this
> species in his Catalogue) and probably should be considered only to be a
> glabrate form.   *Saussurea hypsipeta* is listed by Dickore & Klimes from
> Ladakh - there is an excellent image of it by our member Miroslav: 
> http://www.butbn.cas.cz/
> ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_ eng.html
> <http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_eng.html>.
>
> Clearly, Miroslav may be able to comment in a more informed way than me.
> --- from Chris Chadwell ji.
> To me it appears close to *Saussurea glacialis* Herder
> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/saussurea/saussurea-glacialis>
>  as
> per image herein.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Narendra Joshi* <narend...@gmail.com>
> Date: 6 October 2016 at 22:48
> Subject: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Saussurea
> inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11
> To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Saussurea inversa for validation. Photo taken just after crossing Lipulekh
> pass (China border) on Aug 27, 2016. Height approx 15000 feet.
>
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