Yes, this helps a great deal.
Just goes to show the complexities involved.  I imagine it is rather daunting 
for readers to appreciate that morphologicalcharacteristics (even those 
examined at x10-20 magnification or higher) cannot always be found to attempt 
to distinguishbetween species.
I am reminded of the numerous times during my involvement with attempting to 
identify plants in general and Himalayan onesin particular (the latter over a 
period of 35 years) of encountering people who believe and have the expectation 
that plant identificationis a simple & easy process!
Also reminds us how invaluable it is to have those with familiarity and 
expertise in particular genera and families (who are willing to readily share 
it) - plus how much more study is required for Himalayan flora, sometimes for 
critical genera which need specialists to make sense of them.
And that for some species within some genera it is impossible to be sure which 
species a plant belongs to from a single, general image -or even with the 
benefit of several close-ups.
But whether with a number of excellent close-up photos or a quality pressed 
specimens are available, some examples will be beyond us (at leastfor the time 
being).
The more one learns the more one realises how much one does not know....   
Exhibiting caution with identifying plants is invariable a wise approach.  
Always mindful that the best one can say is "to the best of our current 
knowledge". 
Do not despair, challenges make life more interesting!   Or at those of us, 
like myself, weird enough to enjoy the challenge.  The world needs more 
eccentrics....

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk





     

 From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
 To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> 
Cc: chrischadwell...@btinternet.com; Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, 16 October 2016, 17:03
 Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:253830] Re: Kailash-Manasarovar 
Yatra::Strobilanthes atropurpureus NSJ-OCT 16/08
  
Thanks a lot, Dr. Wood.
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From: John Wood 
Date: 16 October 2016 at 21:31
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:253830] Re: Kailash-Manasarovar 
Yatra::Strobilanthes atropurpureus NSJ-OCT 16/08
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>


Strobilanthes bracteata is the correct name for the plant treated as 
Strobilanthes quadrangularis in the Flora of British India. It was originally 
described as Goldfussia bracteata by Nees and is I think is treated under this 
name in the Enumeration of the Flowering Plants  of Nepal. This species does 
not occur in Bhutan or Sikkim but is restricted to western Nepal and 
neighbouring parts of Uttaranchel.
The genus Strobilanthes was divided into many segregate genera by Bremekamp and 
others but there is no morphological, palynological  or molecular support for 
these segregate genera. Certain groups can be discerned but they intergrade 
with others and the "key" character is often lost in obviously closely related 
species or occurs elsewhere. To give one example the genus Aechmanthera (A. 
gossypina = Strobilanthes tomentoa) is based partly on having an excurrent 
anther connective and partly on having 6-8-seeded capsules. There is nothing 
odd about its pollen. The excurrent anther connective is found in various other 
species - for example Strobilanthes echinata and its allies while 6-8-seeded 
capsules are found in various other species unrelated to those with the 
excurrent anther connective. None of the segregate genera, which include 
Pteracanthus, Sympagis, Aechmanthera, Goldfussia, Sericocalyx,  Aechmanthera 
and over 20  others, can be accepted. I regard these all as Strobilanthes as do 
others working on Strobilanthes such as Venu in India and Deng in China besides 
Terao (Japan) and my colleagues at Oxford.
I hope this is helpful.
Regards
John Wood


From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
Sent: 16 October 2016 16:36
To: John Wood
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:253830] Re: Kailash-Manasarovar 
Yatra::Strobilanthes atropurpureus NSJ-OCT 16/08 
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From: chrischadwell261@btinternet. com<chrischadwell261@btinternet. com>
Date: 16 October 2016 at 20:00
Subject: [efloraofindia:253830] Re: Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Strobilanthes 
atropurpureus NSJ-OCT 16/08
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Most pleased that there is input from Dr Wood about Strobilanthes  - I have 
struggled with a number of these over the years!
But can he, as this species is not in 'The Plant List' as an accepted species 
nor in 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' nor'Flora of Bhutan' what 
the synonyms are and which spp. it was likely to have been thought to have 
been, untilS.bracteata was recognisedand named?
Might he also tell us what the current thinking as to how to separate 
Pteracanthus fromStrobilanthes - both genera are included in the 
'Enumeration..' above but only Stroblilanthes within 'Flora of Bhutan'?

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 5:55:58 PM UTC+1, raj wrote:
Dear Members,

Strobilanthes atropurpureus for validation. Photo taken on the way to Gala from 
Sirkha (Uttarakhand) on Aug 14, 2016, height approx. 8000 feet.

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