Well said Dear Mr. Chadwell! On 20 Oct 2016 5:54 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the identification is now correct (though one always must exhibit an element of caution) *it is* *really a question of the name! Using an 'old' synonym does not mean it is a misidentification.* *As I quip when talking about identifying plants in the wild or cultivation during my lectures,* *"the plants themselves could not care less what we decide to call them or that we have changed* *our minds".* Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk ------------------------------ *From:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> *To:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; C CHADWELL < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 October 2016, 9:25 *Subject:* Re: SK125OCT042016:ID Dear all, I believe ID from Mr. Chadwell is correct. Sending some links for further reference. http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/ 5f4e50eb7d3e3a184a2bbd21a91d7971/synonym/6f1436a1371fc5055c00a2a4dc405de2 http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242421411 http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200007606 https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source= images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwie75nt9-jPAhWDu48KHZ9sBxMQjxwIAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. britishclematis.org.uk%2Fforum%2Fforum_posts.asp% 3FTID%3D224&psig=AFQjCNG9kM_w8BAO8f8MXttCHba8nec7Wg&ust=1477036936224450 https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source= images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.britishclematis.org.uk% 2Fplantprofiles%2Fconfusa.htm&psig=AFQjCNG9kM_w8BAO8f8MXttCHba8nec7Wg&ust= 1477036936224450 https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source= web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwifjqyg-ejPAhWKNo8KHaCwCIcQFggmMAM& url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theplantlist.org%2Ftpl1.1%2Frecord%2Fkew-2725843&usg= AFQjCNFKLxzH1nlyO6V8S4xKA2PB1RmUjA&sig2=Xe5UhXjpZBbAA1sUf4xwbg https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source= web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwifjqyg-ejPAhWKNo8KHaCwCIcQFghAMAk& url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbif.org%2Fspecies%2F3922754&usg= AFQjCNHFcfXg9YPBS9c3sDsvwcpMu-Baxw&sig2=A5KsJP3AMkpgKxoYh9M1EA Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Forwarding again for Id assistance please. Some earlier relevant feedback: My first offering on Nepal. I am not as familiar with its flora as Ladakh or the NW Himalaya and as with the whole of the Himalayan foothills, the lower the elevation one goes, especially into sub-tropical and tropical plants, my knowledge rapidly diminishes! Nevertheless, I have visited Nepal on a number of occasions and know something of its flora. This Clematis is certainly not *C.buchananiana*. *I think you will find this is Clematis acutangula - it is not recorded in 'An Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' Vol 2, 1979) nor 'Flora of Kathmandu Valley' (1986). Hooker knew the plant as is in FBI - from Khasia Hills (now Meghalaya). Do not know of any images on internet. The pressed specimens in Kew herbarium will not help much.* If circumstances permit, I shall contribute more about Nepalese flora. -- Chris Chadwell Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. Catalogue of Life gives it (*Clematis acutangula* Hook. fil. & Thomson) as a syn. of *Clematis ranunculoides *Franch. <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/4b108ba967fa595534fa93d0952d2875/synonym/67c606b476aebb3589ba8e8105c41646> Images of this look different at the following links: http://www.clematisinternation al.com/page74.html <http://www.clematisinternational.com/page74.html> http://www.pavelkaalpines.cz/P hotos/China2009/clematisranunc uloideslugulakeyunnanchina. html <http://www.pavelkaalpines.cz/Photos/China2009/clematisranunculoideslugulakeyunnanchina.html> http://www.britishclematis.org .uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID= 17 <http://www.britishclematis.org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17> - from me *Clematis acutangula * is not listed in Nepal in books as well as link : http://www.efloras.org/florata xon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_ id=107312 <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=107312> . Another, the flower color and leaves do not match at all as per the links: Link1 <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjjoJ_i6tfPAhUPTo8KHbPhDkcQjxwIAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiodiversity.bt%2Fspecies%2Fshow%2F2906&bvm=bv.135475266,d.c2I&psig=AFQjCNFFqq5bWJ65csYauSK9Yp_UkrWalg&ust=1476449156386248> and Link2 <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjgxvTs6tfPAhUDt48KHYUxDUMQjxwIAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiodiversity.bt%2Fobservation%2Fshow%2F3138&bvm=bv.135475266,d.c2I&psig=AFQjCNFFqq5bWJ65csYauSK9Yp_UkrWalg&ust=1476449156386248> . As such*,* request expert for the verdict. - Thank you, Saroj Kasaju Thanks for letting me know. This name was supplied to me some years back. I had assumed they had expertise, so never checked further. I am not a specialist in the genus *Clematis* but will check further incl. with the person who provided the name. Yes, the plant photographed does not match the images of *Clematis ranunculoides* you provided links to. A lesson to all - always double-check IF you can! Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> Date: 4 October 2016 at 14:28 Subject: SK125OCT042016:ID To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> Dear Members, Sharing some pictures for ID shot at the Chandtagiri Hill Kathmandu on 19 September 2016 at 8200 ft. Could it be *Clematis buchananiana* DC. ?? If so why color of flower is different? Thank you. Saroj Kasaju -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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