Dear Mr. Chadwell, Thank you very much . Actually, in that circumstances I could not get the clear and detail pictures all parts of the plant which is causing difficulty in properly identifying.
Saroj Kasaju On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:09 PM, C CHADWELL <[email protected] > wrote: > Dear Saroj > > Well, Hooker I FBI lists the two species one after each other with both as > annuals > or biennals (a characteristic of perhaps greater significance than > realised. > > Just noted that 'Flowers of the Himalaya' states that *A.sieversiana* is > common on stony ground in Ladakh ( > also in dry areas of Nepal) to 4100m. They say flower-heads 6-8mm or > more across. > > Interestingly, Aswal & Mehrotra in 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' state that > *A.macrocephala* is frequent, a characteristic > strongly aromatic species of dry Himalayan zone, often forms clumps on > slopes yet they only include *A.sieversiana* > on the strength of it being recorded in 'Flora of Himachal Pradesh'. They > separate the two on the basis of Heads nodding, > in lax long racemes (A.sieversiana) whilst heads nodding at ends of > branches (A.macrocephala). > > *If you read the observations which follow you will appreciate that I am > attempting, if not the impossible, a* > *challenging task of meaningfully naming material based, in this case, on > a small number of non-close-up images* > *not showing the upper or lower foliage to help confirm (or not) my > provisional thoughts. Thus my detective work* > *only has a few clues to help. Most naming of Artemsias has been based > upon pressed specimens which can be* > *examined closely.* > > *Many species in Ladakh (belonging to a variety of genera) have > characteristic smells/odours - which if noted could* > *make a significant contribution to identification - sometimes > these odours persist in dried/pressed specimens.* > > *Please note unless* there is a Artemisia specialist who has recently > examined material from > Ladak and surrounding regions who can comment with greater authority, my > observations must > be viewed as more provisional than normal (i.e. for most other genera) but > are worth making in an effort to improve the present > situation and encourage further observations and photographs (and for > authorised botanists pressed > specimen collection for herbaria) - which is the only way to make more > progress. > > I think it will be informative if I reproduce the thoughts of Kletter & > Kriechbaum within 'Tibetan Medicinal Plants' > "*we would like to say a few words about the difficulties facing those > trying to determine wormwood plants. The flower heads are tiny, the > flowers they contain even smaller and the characters considered important > by botanists, like whetehr the flowers are hermaphroditic or unisexual, are > difficult to check in the field. Thus regarding he flowering parts, the > wormwoods look relatively similar - at least the differences are difficult > to see. In contrast, the vegetative parts, particularly the often very > elegant cut of the leaves and their odour, are very striking. > Unfortunately, such features are difficult to describe in words and often > greatly variable within a single species. The variability is often not > only caused genetically but also influenced by environmental factors , not > only climatic but also zoogenic or anthropogenic ones, such as grazing by > animals or cutting by humans. Under the latter impact, wormwoods form > heavily branched, stunted individuals with aberrant leaf forms, which might > even lead to the description of one or the other "new species". As Podlech > points out, wormwoods can only be truly understood if they are studied in > the field over an entire vegetation period. Herbarium material > particularly of a particular sub-genus, usually comprises either > unidentifiable vegetative plants from early collections or late-flowering > and fruiting plants which have already lost their basal leaves..... > Misidentifications - even by specialists - are not rare in herbaria...... > The annual species only form a small minority within the genus, but as > colonising plants they are quite common around settlements, nomad camps, > livestock trails and cultivated areas*" *And thus are likely to be > disproportionately collected/noticed. In the 19th Century the earliest > explorers in the Himalaya (from 1830 onwards in the NW) obviously followed > the trails of the day (not necessarily the current road routes of today) > and nowadays with vehicular transport available a disproportionate number > of 'road-side' plants (perhaps 'weeds') are photographed or collected. A > majority of botanical exploration since Indian Independence has consisted > of collection at the 'road-side' with little venturing or scrambling about > far from the main routes or undertaking of treks to less-visited locations.* > > Kletter & Kriechbaum went on to say, "*The genus Artemisia in Central > Asia and the Himalaya still has not been sufficiently investigated*". > > They went on to make useful suggestions of groups of species based upon > their ecology from those dominant in relatively undisturbed high-altitude > steppe and semi-desert, through species dominating overgrazed areas because > of their unpalatability, through perennials with colonising abilities along > paths & roads, on abandoned fields or in wasteland around settlements to > short-lived plants colonising frequently disturbed soil in & around > settlements and on cultivated land. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > *To:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; C CHADWELL < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, 28 October 2016, 9:42 > *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Artemisia macrocephala Jacquemont ex Besser > > Any link between two? > > Thank you. > > > http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/ > 46f449278c776a164c78163dc4320431 > > Large-Flowered Wormwood > [image: Foto info] > [image: Large-Flowered Wormwood] > > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/Scripts/rec_form.php> > ative > *Photo:* Prashant Awale*Common name:* Large-Flowered Wormwood > *Botanical name:* *Artemisia macrocephala* *Family:* *Asteraceae* > (Sunflower > family) > *Synonyms:* Artemisia akbaitalensis, Artemisia griffithiana, Artemisia > sieversiana var. pygmaea > ------------------------------ > Large-Flowered Wormwood is an annual herb, up to 20-30 cm tall, densely > whitish-grey hairy, with 6-8 cm long, well branched root. Stems are several > from the base or solitary, erect to ascending, ribbed, with 1.5-3 cm long > internodes. Basal and lower stem leaves are carried on 1.5-3 cm long, > winged stalks. Leaves are broadly ovate to round, 1.0-1.5 x 1.0-1.5 cm, > bipinnately cut into linear-oblanceolate, 2.5- 4 x 0.5-1 mm, apically > obtuse ultimate segments; medium and upper stem leaves subsessile to > sessile, gradually reduced in size. Flower-heads are remote, in simple, > 10-12 cm long racemes, hemispherical, usually 0.6-1 cm across, nodding. > Lower peduncles are slender, 8-12 mm long, upper ones smaller, curved. > Involucre 4-seriate, outermost phyllaries linear-oblong, (3-) 4-5 mm long, > densely hairy, obtuse; median phyllaries narrowly obovate, 3-4 x 1.5-2 mm, > green and densely hairy to glabrescent on midrib, scarious-membranous > alround; innermost ± elliptic-obovate, 3.5-4.5 x 1.75-2.5 mm, obtuse, > scarious, glabrous. Receptacle is hemispherical, 2.5-3 mm in diameter, > densely hairy. Florets are numerous, all fertile, greenish-yellow; marginal > florets female, eligulate, with c. 1.5 mm long, 2-toothed, basally > broadened, glandular corolla, style branches exserted; disc-florets > bisexual, with 5-toothed, densely glandular, c. 2 mm long, tubular corolla, > anther appendages acute, protruding. Cypselas narrowly oblanceolate, 1-1.5 > mm long, light brown. Large-Flowered Wormwood is found in China, Mongolia, > Tibet, Russia, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, at altitudes of 3400-5500 > m. Flowering: June-September. > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > From Chadwell ji: > I have been able to make some progress with your images of an Artemisia > taken in Nubra Valley by Saroj. > Being such a difficult genus it does not help not having good close-ups of > flower-heads nor foliage one has to be rather provisional but but I think > it may well be Artemisia sieversiana (an accepted name) which Stewart > found to be common in Kashmir & also found in Ladakh overall in the region > from 2000-4500m. > > On 19 October 2016 at 22:05, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > See my previous comments about this very difficult genus. It will take a > lot of > time and effort for me to become more familiar with this challenging genus > in Ladakh. > > *In the mean-time, IF we have someone more familiar with the genus, would > they* > *kindly comment.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>> > *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>; [email protected] > m <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 October 2016, 9:11 > *Subject:* Fwd: Artemisia macrocephala Jacquemont ex Besser > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > Some earlier relevant feedback: > This does not fit *Artemisia macrocephala*. See my previous comments > about this very difficult genus.- from Chadwell ji > Pl. check comparative images at Artemisia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/asteroideae/anthemideae/artemisia> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: 29 September 2016 at 20:09 > Subject: Artemisia macrocephala Jacquemont ex Besser > To: efloraofindia <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Members, > > Sharing some oictures I guess is Artemisia macrocephala Jacquemont ex > Besser shot at Nubra Valley on 21 August 2016. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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