Thank you very much, Chadwell ji. Regards. Dinesh On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 6:15 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote:
> *I currently cannot put a firm name on this - shall comment further in due > course. *Further to my recent post about photographing Geraniums. I am > far from certain that the true Geranium collinum is found in the Himalaya. > This is a complicated matter. Let me try to explain. It has certainly been > thought to in the past. Stewart e.g. listed this species from the Khardong > La in his 'The Flora of Ladakh' (1916-17) - I have not seen the pressed > specimen but from the altitude and location, I would think this is probably > what I understand to be G.regelii. He also listed G.grandiflorum (which is > now Geranium himalayense). The images above do not come close to my > understanding of either of these species - nor G,.pratense subsp. > stewartianum a specimen of which I saw near Sonamarg which Peter Yeo at > Cambridge identified as this in 1987. Dickore & Klimes (2005) which is the > most up-to-date checklist for Ladakh do not include G.collinum only G. > himalayense, pratense, regelii and sibiricum. > > > > In 'The Valley of Flowers' G.pratense, collinum, wallichianum and > grevilleanum (now G.lambertii) are listed. > > > > In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he draws attention to the problematical > G.collinum-pratense-himalayense alliance. He considered this was > particularly critical in the NW Himalaya with high quality pressed > specimens needed (nowadays these can be supplemented and sometimes replaced > by high quality digital images (provided the advice given below is > followed). This alliance has pink to blue flowers (sometimes white) in > which the stamen-tip and stigmas are never blackish-purple... > > > > > I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make an > additional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having > images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identification and > enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps you > can help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science! > > > > > > PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: > > > > *IF only the first one or two flowers have come out don't bother to > collect as the form of inflorescence will not be evident.* > > > *The rootstock is important; get enough to show whether compact or > creeping, or annual. You can photograph the base of the plant which should > provide this information. Clearly, one requires permission from the > authorities to uproot a plant. There is still a need and indeed role for > the collection of pressed specimens for herbaria in India but that is > primarily the domain of staff of botanic gardens/ institutions.* > > * In the early stages of flowering look out for the best-developed unripe > fruits available.* > > * If fruit is ripe try to include both dehisced and undehisced states.* > > * If the fruits are falling with the seeds inside them, collect some (many > geraniums disperse their seed explosively but some seed is often retained).* > > *Include some loose petals when pressing (detach if necessary). Expose > stamens to show filament shape and hairs by taking 2 or 3 sepals off a > flower from which petals have recently dropped.* > > *Smoothing out one or two leaves and flowers as you close the press may be > helpful; a few separately pressed basal and lower/middle stem leaves are > often useful.* > > *Wilted specimens can be very misleading.* > > *Notes should be taken as to flower posture, colour and patterning of > petals, colour of stigmas, anthers and distal parts of filaments (not > necessary if your photos show these).* > > *And don't forget to ensure the stipules are clearly shown - something > that would have been obviously in pressed specimens, so not mentioned above > by Yeo.* > > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2013 at 7:58:22 PM UTC, Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >> Balsaminaceae, Geraniaceae and Oxalidaceae Week >> balsam, geranium, wood sorrel families >> Geraniaceae >> * Geranium collinum * Stephan ex Willd. >> >> *jer-AY-nee-um* -- from the Greek *geranos*, crane; referring to the >> beak-like fruit ... Dave's Botanary >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdavesgarden.com%2Fguides%2Fbotanary%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_text%3DGeranium&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdOFsunwWjQiHVpEy0bwG4V2Wsrhg> >> *KOL-in-um* -- hilly; grows on hills ... Dave's Botanary >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdavesgarden.com%2Fguides%2Fbotanary%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_text%3Dcollinum&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzesn7Pww2RQdOplG4w5PlvMKaC0ng> >> >> *commonly known as*: hill geranium • *Kashmiri (Ladakhi)*: ལེགཏིན >> legkatin >> >> *Native to*: s & s-e Europe towards c Asia, n-w Himalaya >> >> *References*: Flowers of India >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FHill%2520Geranium.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdbtjb7gKJIwWikIwqbNP9fP8XTmA> >> • Flora of China >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.efloras.org%2Fflorataxon.aspx%3Fflora_id%3D2%26taxon_id%3D242323229&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeBD1KKh7Fbj0EHtvQUKC0TCXpPpg> >> • NPGS / GRIN >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ars-grin.gov%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnpgs%2Fhtml%2Ftaxon.pl%3F419399&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcjb3lu8FViF4Eth2Ygw8qScTz4dg> >> at Valley of Flowers on 02 AUG 12 >> >> [image: Geranium collinum Stephan ex Willd.] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832711692%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdkUo73Kc5542fOWEtbS9AflbL5pw> >> >> [image: Hill Geranium] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832670036%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcaMbLta2Eb031aFjfqG4rjzIlO2g> >> >> [image: Legkatin (Kashmiri, Ladakhi: ལེགཏིན)] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832704716%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzd4fC6F6K_d1XHzFK7uJUgH19V4OQ> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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