Thanks, Chadwell ji On 19 Nov 2016 10:09 pm, "[email protected]" < [email protected]> wrote:
> *There seems to be different interpretations of Geranium mascatense and > G.ocellatum. This specimen does not show gaps between petals as is the > case with most images of G.mascatense taken in the Gulf - see below.* > > 'The Plant List' gives G.ocellatum as a synonym of the former. Whereas > Nasir in 'Flora of Pakistan' separates the two. Stewart does not list > G,mascatense > at all but has *G.ocellatum* var. *himalaicum* as common from 300-1800m. > Nasir, on the other hand, says that G.mascatense is only sparingly recorded > from Pakistan and then only in Baluchistan. > > G.mascatense is recorded from Africa and the Gulf - so Baluchistan fits OK > with this. Collet had G.ocellatum in hill districts of N.India from same > altitudes as Stewart. IF they constitute separate species, I find it > somewhat surprising to have G.mascatense in the Himalayan foothills. > > I do not know on whose authority G.ocellatum has been sunk into > G.mascatense. According to Nasir the species are very close but > G.mascatense has puberulous mericarps - translating that into English: in > Geranium the dry fruits consists of 5 'mericarps' each with a seed, which > may be explosively dispersed though sometimes remains inside) the > 'puberulous' part means downy with very short soft hairs. *So clearly, > unless one can observe the fruits of a geranium this characteristic cannot > be ascertained. No doubt Nasir knew of other differences.* > > > *Taking a quick look at the images for G.mascastense available on the > internet, most show marked gaps between the petals (as do the images taken > in Muscat in the posting above this) compared with images of specimens from > the foothills of the NW Himalaya (incl. the one near Chakki) which may > constitute sufficient to justify them as separate taxa but without careful > study of the whole plants cannot speculate if that is sufficient (or a > consistent difference) to justify separation as varieties, subspecies or at > the species level but the geographic/altitudinal/climatic differences may > be of significance.* > > *Cannot comment further at this stage.* > > On Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 3:10:28 AM UTC, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > >> *Geranium ocellatum* Camb. in Jacq. Voy. Ind. 4, Bot. 33. 1844. >> Syn: *Geranium* *bicolor* Royle; *Geranium* *choorense* Royle; *Geranium* >> *ocellatum* var. *himalaicum* Knuth >> >> A very distinctive among small flowered species with with pink flowers >> with dark base; erect or ascending annual herb with glandular hairs; >> stipules lanceolate, free; leaves opposite rounded to reniform, up to 6 cm >> broad, deeply 5-7 lobed, segments again 3 or more lobed, appressed hairy; >> flowers pink with dark purplish basal spot, solitary or in 2-flowered >> clusters, 10-15 mm across; sepals 4-7 mm long, mucro very small; petals >> twice as long as sepals, obovate; mericarps transeversely wrinkled, beak >> up to 15 mm long. >> >> Photographed from Morni. Sorry for missing one petal. >> I am treating it distinct from G. mascatense following eFlora of China, >> Pakistan and GRIN >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
