Thanks, Chadwell ji On 19 Nov 2016 7:45 pm, "[email protected]" < [email protected]> wrote:
> *I currently cannot put a firm name on this (the species photographed in > the top image, that is) - shall comment further in due course. The > situation is complicated further by the likelihood of more than one > Geranium growing here and that both species are in the photos? The lowest > and top images do not, to me, match well. The leaf below the flower shown > in the bottom image do not tally with the geranium in the top image . In > the 3rd of the smaller images, the lower flower does not match the upper > two. I also seem to be able to detect large stipules which suggest one of > the two geraniums is Geranium wallichianum - the accompanying flowers and > foliage support this - they certainly do not belong to the other Geranium > and are not part of the G.collinium-pratense-himalayense alliance (see > below). Auli is certainly at the right sort of altitude to find > G.wallichianum. So it seems likely that Dinesh photographed two Geraniums, > thinking that there was only one. I have done this with other genera but > just goes to show that some geraniums are not easy to recognise.* > > > > In 'The Valley of Flowers' book G.pratense, collinum, wallichianum and > grevilleanum (now G.lambertii) are listed. > > > > Let me try to explain. In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he draws attention > to the problematical G.collinum-pratense-himalayense alliance. He > considered this was particularly critical in the NW Himalaya with high > quality pressed specimens needed (nowadays these can be supplemented and > sometimes replaced by high quality digital images (provided the advice > given below is followed). This alliance has pink to blue flowers > (sometimes white) in which the stamen-tip and stigmas are never > blackish-purple... > > > > > I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make an > additional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having > images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identification and > enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps you > can help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science! > > > > > > PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: > > > > *IF only the first one or two flowers have come out don't bother to > collect as the form of inflorescence will not be evident.* > > > *The rootstock is important; get enough to show whether compact or > creeping, or annual. You can photograph the base of the plant which should > provide this information. Clearly, one requires permission from the > authorities to uproot a plant. There is still a need and indeed role for > the collection of pressed specimens for herbaria in India but that is > primarily the domain of staff of botanic gardens/ institutions.* > > * In the early stages of flowering look out for the best-developed unripe > fruits available.* > > * If fruit is ripe try to include both dehisced and undehisced states.* > > * If the fruits are falling with the seeds inside them, collect some (many > geraniums disperse their seed explosively but some seed is often retained).* > > *Include some loose petals when pressing (detach if necessary). Expose > stamens to show filament shape and hairs by taking 2 or 3 sepals off a > flower from which petals have recently dropped.* > > *Smoothing out one or two leaves and flowers as you close the press may be > helpful; a few separately pressed basal and lower/middle stem leaves are > often useful.* > > *Wilted specimens can be very misleading.* > > *Notes should be taken as to flower posture, colour and patterning of > petals, colour of stigmas, anthers and distal parts of filaments (not > necessary if your photos show these).* > > *And don't forget to ensure the stipules are clearly shown - something > that would have been obviously in pressed specimens, so not mentioned above > by Yeo.* > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2013 at 8:24:47 PM UTC, Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >> Balsaminaceae, Geraniaceae and Oxalidaceae Week >> balsam, geranium, wood sorrel families >> Geraniaceae >> * Geranium pratense * L. >> >> *jer-AY-nee-um* -- from the Greek *geranos*, crane; referring to the >> beak-like fruit ... Dave's Botanary >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdavesgarden.com%2Fguides%2Fbotanary%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_text%3DGeranium&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdOFsunwWjQiHVpEy0bwG4V2Wsrhg> >> *pray-TEN-see* or *pray-TEN-say* -- referring to a meadow ... Dave's >> Botanary >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdavesgarden.com%2Fguides%2Fbotanary%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_text%3Dpratense&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc3z1au44W6jb5mvKY4WwPPXks4AQ> >> >> *commonly known as*: meadow crane's bill, meadow geranium • *Lahauli*: >> porlo • *Spiti*: likatur >> >> *Native to*: Europe, c Asia, n-w Himalaya; naturalized, cultivated >> elsewhere >> >> *References*: Flowers of India >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMeadow%2520Cranesbill.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfxQuwHbiasn0n5IIdtcAzwjeTsag> >> • Flora of China >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.efloras.org%2Fflorataxon.aspx%3Fflora_id%3D2%26taxon_id%3D200012394&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzffjRXZ4LbsvqAmZmL2ok7OSl2ccg> >> • NPGS / GRIN >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ars-grin.gov%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnpgs%2Fhtml%2Ftaxon.pl%3F436&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdmkbfMfrW730pOFS0O_5D2_CoRHA> >> • ENVIS - FRLHT >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fenvis.frlht.org%2Fplant_details.php%3Fdisp_id%3D4954%26parname%3D0&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdQSxFRXYU9gdyydkoZSsSYtMBcEQ> >> at Valley of Flowers on 02 AUG 12 >> >> [image: Geranium pratense L.] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7813164858%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEze4RW8sgM5_OFuNkKrb9f0VX8V-pA> >> >> [image: Geranium pratense L.] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7813209052%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfuGFWhJ9eS15OIztmjjoKRyPjjPg> >> [image: >> Geranium pratense L.] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7813181564%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcomzPESUzFl5-UhTcQuOpfEyY4vQ> >> [image: >> likatur (in Spiti)] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7814457552%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfPAcpglWuZDN9IxF9y1WtqQ_bUEQ> >> [image: >> porlo (in Lahauli)] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7814462314%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeBcNqODZNC2objYdidGpDeDOjl6A> >> >> >> at Auli on 31 JUL 12 >> >> [image: Meadow Crane's Bill] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7775756424%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzciDkw9gt6PswyewYf2xv6u9heFtg> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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