Thanks, Chadwell ji On 24 Nov 2016 3:36 am, "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Thought best to collect my thoughts before responding further. > > The problem with the links provided (and most from specialist nurseries, > growers and the like) is that such people (in good faith mostly - though it > is in the commercial interest of nurseries to list as many different > species & cultivars as possible, as there are collectors of all available > examples of favoured genera e.g. Androsace, Primula, Iris, Meconopsis, > Geranium etc.). They will buy if the species name or cultivar name is > different to what they already have (or think they have). > > The problem is that hardly any of those running nurseries, websites (even > the top horticulturists in the UK) have any proper training in how to > identify plants - to be fair, often few, if any reference books or other > resources exist. They rely on the name something arrived at. > > *The result is, as my own informal research suggests, a high proportion of > plants are misidentified in cultivation (just as a significant proportion > of plants seen during surveys and trips to the Himalaya are > misidentified). For plants under names of species found in the Himalaya > (some plants grow in the Himalaya and other regions of the world, so the > example may not have originated in the Himalaya) I judge at least 50% to be > misidentified (and I do not mean because they are hybrids, another > complication in cultivation) - I have checked plants from nurseries and > sources of seed, commercial and botanic garden index semina.* > > *Thus, we cannot expect the situation with Androsace in cultivation to be > any different.* > > *Of the links provided, the final two do not come close to the others and > in my opinion are not Androsace globifera.* > > *As to the identity of the plant photographed in VoF - this, as I have > already stated is definitely not A.mucronifolia. It might be A,globifera > but some sources say it should have flower-stalks (others like 'Flowers of > Himalaya' say short-stalked or stalkless. It is the most likely > candidate. These images appear close to the single close-up image posted > from VoF which I have just commented on.* > > *There has long been confusion with the mat and cushion-forming species.* > > *Interestingly, the image of A,globifera in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' > shows flowers with darker central parts, as does the much larger photo of > this species in 'Portraits of Himalayan Flowers' (T.Yoshida), along with > one of the images in his 'Himalayan Plants Illustrated'.* > > *I shall be commented about Androsace garwhalicum in another response.* > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Prashant awale <[email protected]>; D.S Rawat < > [email protected]>; [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, 18 November 2016, 4:51 > *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:129229] VOF Week: : Androsace > mucronifolia? en-route Hemkund sahib > > Thanks, Chadwell ji & Rawat ji. > To me it appears close to Androsace globifera as per the following images > (though I may or may not be correct): > http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Primulaceae_Androsace_ > globifera_93803.html > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Androsace_globifera_3.JPG > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androsace_globifera#/media/ > File:Androsace_globifera.jpg > https://www.nargs.org/plant/androsace-globifera > http://phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Primulaceae_ > Androsace_globifera_70529.html > http://garden.org/plants/view/133923/Rock-Jasmine-Androsace-globifera/ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Prashant Awale* <[email protected]> > Date: 7 September 2012 at 21:48 > Subject: [efloraofindia:129229] VOF Week: : Androsace mucronifolia? > en-route Hemkund sahib > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> > > > Dear Friends, > > This herb was seen on the boulders en-route Hemkund Sahib. I had earlier > identified this as Androsace garhwalicum (Ref: book by Keshava Murthy). > After seeing the post by Dinesh of similar plant i feel this plant could > also be *Androsace mucronifolia*? > Family: Primulaceae. > > Regards > Prashant > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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