Thanks for checking. So Carex psychrophila remains a possibility. As the
images are of young flowers only and mature fruits are generally required to be
certain of an identification, then unless we have a specialist, familiar with
the genus in Kashmir, then it may be impossible for us to proceed further.
Perhaps a member in Kashmir or visiting Kashmir can take good close-ups of the
mature fruits of this plant and send us?
I note the following publication but do not have a copy:
Haq, E. U., G. H. Dar, B. A. Wafai and Jacob Koopman.
The Genus Carex L. (Cyperaceae) in the Kashmir Himalaya, India: A Taxonomic
Appraisal. Bishen Singh Mahendra Pal Singh, Dehra Dun. (In press).
Perhaps someone who has a copy can consult this and see if it helps us?
Is Jacob Koopman a member of this group, as he is a Carex specialist when I am
a beginner and this is not an easy genus? Or could forward the images to
request his input with this and indeed other Carex (and Cyperaceae) from
Kashmir?
Makes sense if I concentrate my strictly limited time, energy & powers of
concentration on genera and families where no specialists exist especially if
they are not familiar with Himalayan species. In some cases such specialists
are not available.
With attempting to identify plants, one can easily spend hours (or even days or
weeks) trying and then not being any the wiser afterwards. There is a "law of
diminishing returns" i.e. in some cases the only sensible course of action is
to put to a side the specimens/photos and return to them at a later date.
Sometimes, just a 'fresh' look, days, weeks or months later is sufficient.
I e.g. identified sets of photos taken in Ladakh last year. For some images I
was uncertain with species the belonged to (but knew the genus) and for a few
which family but not the genus, as a result of checking out images posted on
eFI which I have checked in recent months, I can now name the 'outstanding'
images from 2015.
And the more difficult example require a lot of concentration which one cannot
always provide if tired or busy concentrating on other matters. If one tries
to name a plant in such circumstances, rushes this and does not check properly,
mistakes are made and misidentifications are made.
Attempting to RELIABLY identify plants can be very demanding intellectually and
mentally exhausting. I am usually very tried, indeed exhausted after spending
a day in a herbarium. I do not think this is appreciated, especially in these
days of "high-tech" science - just as "field skills" are often not valued in
botany.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>; Gurcharan Singh
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Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2016, 10:51
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:257590] Re: Poaceae, Cyperaceae and Juncaceae
Week: Cyperaceae-Carex 03042013GS3 for ID from Kashmir- GS24
Thanks, Chadwell ji,Carex psychrophila Nees is an accepted name both as per The
Plant List Ver. 1.1 & Catalogue of Life
On 15 November 2016 at 11:12, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
Carex is a large and difficultgenus. I photographed 3 Carex in my own village
in the UK this year andhave only, so far, been able to name one of them. There
is a guide toCarex published by the BSBI which I had a copy of at one time but
was damagedand discarded; I do not currently have the budget to by an
up-datedversion. Without it I will struggle (with help) to name the other two.
In the UK we are blessed with The Botanical Society of the British Isles(BSBI)
which has a Panel of Referees and Specialists available to havematerial sent to
them to identify. There are a number of specialistsavailable to accept
specimens (either pressed and dried or in some cases fresh)with certain ones
with particular expertise in particular groups or aggregates. In all cases
mature fruits and undergroundparts should be sent. I doubt if many of them
would be able or willing to attempt toname specimens on the basis of photos
alone particular those not of greaterclose-ups or mature fruits than shown in
these images.These images are of immature flowers which make things more
difficult. Just a thought, Stewart gives Carex psychrophila as common in
Srinagar (and Gulmarg, Khelanmarg, Pahlgam, Sonamarg @ 1800-3300m. Can this be
checked further/eliminated? Unfortunately, it is not an accepted species in
'The Plant List'
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 12:17:08 PM UTC+1, Gurcharan Singh wrote:
Another species of Kashmir, very common at low altitudes around Srinagar. Pl.
help in ID
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