Thanks, Chadwell ji On 31 Dec 2016 10:21 p.m., "[email protected]" < [email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Saroj > > It is nice to have more than just one or two images of a Clematis (and all > other genera) to inspect but most of the 8 images taken are similar, > revealing much the same information. PLEASE on future occasions with > Clematis at the fruiting stage, can you take close-ups of the foliage > including the undersides of the leaves. > > It is always much harder to be sure about an identification at the > fruiting stage as often reference images are few-and-far-between. > > The suggestion of C.heynei does not fit given its known distribution in > S.India - as far as I know it has not been recorded from Nepal. > It is known as the 'Deccan Clematis' on the 'Flowers of India' site. > > Let us consider Clematis gouriana. > > 'Flora of Kathmandu Valley' lists 9 species of Clematis including Clematis > gouriana which they recorded from 1667-2121m below Phulchoki. Using > their key C.gouriana is a possible species but I do not rely upon keys > ONLY and one must ALWAYS wonder as to how reliable the information in Floras > is. It seems that CURRENTLY the accepted name for what was known as > C.gouriana Roxb. ex DC is now *Clematis javana.* > > They assign the local name of 'Junge lahara' to C.gouriana AND other > Clematis incl. C.buchananiana and C.montana. > > They say C.gouriana is common in mixed forest flowering and fruiting in > November. *Yet 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' gives an * > *altitudinal distribution of 500-1600m. So I cannot but wonder IF the > Clematis below Phulchoki really is C.gouriana? It MIGHT be.* > > Flora of Bhutan lists C.gouriana DC. on shrubs at margins of subtropical > and warm broad-leaves forests @ 150-2000m flowering October to November > in both Bhutan and Sikkim. > > Stewart recorded C.gouriana from N.Pakistan in the foothill zone to 1200m. > > Flora Simlensis records C.gouriana from valleys below Shimla and hilly > districts throughout India @ 300-900m plus Java and the Philippines. > > *At present I am uncertain how to distinguish, particularly at the > fruiting stage and without close-up images, between C.javana and similar > species.* > > I have a copy of 'Clematis' by S.L.Kapoor (Flowering Plants of India, > Bulletin of the National Botanic Gardens, No. 124, 1966). The author gives > a distribution from NW Himalaya to Assam and in S.India at 305-2440m. > > He observes that this species is highly variable with regard to the shape, > texture, venation and indumentum of the leaflets. Apparently specimens > from what was Burma approach the leaflets of C.javana.... > > C.triloba Heyne (now a synonym of C.heynei) is described by Kapoor. > > *Given my criticism of some works, I have found Kapoor's efforts of value > - extensive and thorough. He examined a lot of herbarium specimens, > appears to comment about each Clematis known from India at that time, in a > way one can have confidence in. His written descriptions and the line > drawings seem of a high standard * > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 5:06:36 PM UTC, Saroj Kumar Kasaju > wrote: > >> Dear members >> >> Location: Nagarkot, Nepal >> Altitude: 7000 ft. >> Date: 28 December 2016 >> >> Clematis... ???? >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
