Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. On 27 Jan 2017 10:00 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Pity the lower leaves are not shown and close-ups of the 'flowers' are not > available - > perhaps you were avoiding the risk of leeches? > > Nevertheless, I am, quickly (for once) able to SUGGEST an identification - > though am not certain. > > It is definitely an Anemone. It COULD be *Anemone elongata.* > > *HOPEFULLY, OTHER MEMBERS CAN TAKE CLOSE-UP IMAGES OF THIS SPECIES IN THE* > *FUTURE.* > > IF you attempted to use Flowers of the Himalaya, then a problem would > arise - either > you would try and CONVINCE yourself (especially as only two images, not in > close-up) > are available that it belonged to one of the species described or > illustrated as photos or > line drawings. > > I imagine the closest you would get is A.polyanthes or A.tetrasepala. > Based upon the > images you would, perhaps, plump for Anemone tetrasepala? > > Here in lies a problem, you may well have not checked its geographic > distribution. *This* > *species has not been recorded East of H.P.* > > *Perhaps, you might think, you have a NEW record for Nepal?* > > *NO. As I find myself having to repeat, good though 'Flowers of the > Himalaya' is, IT IS* > *NOT A FLORA. IT ONLY COVERS A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPECIES* > *CURRENTLY KNOWN FROM THE HIMALAYA.* > > *In the case of Anemone, Flowers of the Himalaya says c. 17 species - > whereas this book* > *only describes 8 - so LESS THAN HALF. For MOST genera, the proportion of > species per* > *genus covered is a MUCH lower proportion.* > > *There is a Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya - which is available > (indeed is an Oxford* > *India Paperback, printed in New Delhi in 1997). The standard of colour > reproduction is pretty* > *good, so why should MUCH INFERIOR colour printed be acceptable in Indian > publications since* > *that year!? MORE MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP SHOULD BUY A COPY.* > > *This has one more Anemone plus photos of 3 species illustrated as line > drawings in the main volume* > *but is nothing like the plant photographed in Nepal.* > > *What of the 9 (or more) species not covered. Stewart lists 2 additional > species, one, far too small and* > *only known from the NW Himalaya whilst the second is a misidentification.* > > *Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists a further 6 species. > If one goes by altitudinal range, * > *5, conveniently eliminated - though one species has a lower limit close > to 2700m, so should be considered* > *but is not close to the plant photographed. One A.elongata is recorded > from 2600-3500m - this fits with 2700m.* > > *Flora of Kathmandu Valley has 3 species of Anemone. 2 are well-known: > A.rivularis & A.vitifolia - which* > *can be eliminated.* > > *This leaves Anemone elongata D.Don. (first described in 1825). Recorded > from 1800-2500m. This fits. I have seen what* > *I understand to be this near the top of Mt. Phukcholi, above Godawari. > The description provided could fit the photos but* > *without them being close-up and characteristics missing from them, one > cannot be sure. Furthermore, the reliability of* > *the information in this 'Flora' varies.* > > *IF correctly identified, this represents a NEW entry for eFI.* > > According to the Nepal Enumeration its distribution extends from Garwhal > (so should be looked out for in Uttarakhand - > perhaps members have observed it there)? It also is supposed to be found > through to NEFA and what is now Meghalaya > yet it is not recorded in 'Flora of Bhutan' (which covers Sikkim as > well). > > As for 'supporting evidence'? There appears to be no pressed specimens > of this species in the Kew herbarium (at least none > available on their web-site). There are a couple of images available on > the internet, yet the first is CLEARLY a misidentification > for a cultivated plant - a form of Japanese Anemone (see: > https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Anemone+elongata% > 22&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl#gws_rd=ssl&imgrc=t998wOGyNtoddM%3A ) - so that can > be disregarded. The other, does not fit what I currently understand to be > this species but cannot judge the reliability of the source. > > There is a description but no line-drawing or photos in: > > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=3&taxon_id=242000110 > > There is a specimen at Edinburgh Botanics, see: > > http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/vherb/bgbasevherb.php? > cfg=bgbase/vherb/zoom.cfg&filename=E00438605.zip&queryRow=5 > > Unfortunately, this is NOT a good specimen and it has suffered damage by > insects. It was collected by or for Wallich in the 19th Century. > There are 5 other, much more recent collections but these are yet to be > scanned in..... BUT due to high resolution one can zoom in - and > see more detail than shown by Saroj's photos. > > *What do other members think? Do we have an expert on Anemone? * > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, 27 January 2017, 8:25 > *Subject:* Fwd: SK329JAN18-2017:ID > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: 18 January 2017 at 22:05 > Subject: SK329JAN18-2017:ID > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < > [email protected]> > > > > Thank you. > Dear Members, > > Location: Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal > Altitude: 9000 ft. > Date: 26 July 2014 > > Anemone ...??? > > Saroj Kasaju > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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