Thanks, Chadwell ji. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: C CHADWELL <[email protected]> Date: 22 February 2017 at 20:33 Subject: Re: Fwd: The true Codonopsis ovata in Kashmir To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
I hope members find them useful, whether or not they have any particular interest in Campanulaceae/Codonopsis. What PLEASURE plants bring us - what a glorious colour Codonopsis ovata flowers are. I look forward to many other members posting similar (indeed, even better) sets of images of as many different species belonging to as many genera and families as exist in India in the coming years to ENRICH the eFI data-base. AND as has been seen by my recent posts of Himalayan species in gardens, plants in cultivation of wild origin, are worth photographing and sharing for reference purposes. As those collecting pressed specimens for the herbarium at Kew have long been instructed, the purpose is "TO ENRICH, NOT ENLARGE".... *The same applies to submissions to eFI.* I shall soon be departing to deliver a digital preparation on the wild plants of Kashmir to a gardening club, entitled PARADISE ON EARTH: THE BEAUTIFUL WILD FLOWERS OF KASHMIR - which will include a couple of images of Codonopsis ovata. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> *Cc:* [email protected] *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 February 2017, 14:30 *Subject:* Fwd: The true Codonopsis ovata in Kashmir Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji, for the details & very good images. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *C CHADWELL* <[email protected]> Date: 22 February 2017 at 19:51 Subject: The true Codonopsis ovata in Kashmir To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> Here with a selection of close-up images of a delightful species below Aphawat (about 3800m I think) above Gulmarg, Kashmir; I also saw it below Khelanmarg - which show what digital photography can do, making it SO MUCH clearer as to the DIFFERENCES between species that may have been confused in the past. I did not take any photos of the leaves - it is good that I managed to snap the images I did, as I was under extreme time (and other) pressures.... The shape of the corolla, markings in the interior and shape of the calyx lobes (not reflexed) readily distinguish this from Codonopsis clematidea - though these species are often found in different places/districts anyhow. Such images of LIVING plants in the wild provide MUCH MORE information than most pressed specimens in herbaria do. BUT IT DEPENDS ON MORE THAN 1 OR 2 IMAGES WITH 10 or even more QUALITY IMAGES, CLOSE-UP, IN GOOD FOCUS, being posted covering floral parts and foliage, habit & ideally habitat as well. This images taken SEVERAL years ago on a MODEST digital camera (WITHIN THE BUDGET OF ALL MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP). It does take practise and application to become a skilled photographer (and to know which parts of a plant should be photographed) but it is NOT a question of cost. A large, heavy, complicated camera is NOT required to achieve these results. I am pointing the way in my posts as to WHICH PARTS of plants of EACH GENUS need to photographed as well as what should be photographed in ALL CASES. Digital cameras nowadays have light-weight batteries, light-weight and efficient battery chargers and memory cards which can store AS MANY images as anyone could possible take either on a day-trip or weeks trekking (all one needs to do is carry some spare batteries and memory cards). ONE JUST NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE HABIT OF ONLY TAKING 1 OR 2 OR EVEN A MAXIMUM OF 4 IMAGES PER PLANT - as one was OBLIGED TO in the days of non-digital cameras or perhaps the very early days of digital. *I hope to start seeing more members posting 10 or so images per plant for the eFI data-base, showing* *detail of flowers, foliage, habit and habitat - making the entries SUPERIOR to ANYTHING in herbaria -* *except when examination at HIGHER MAGNIFICATION is required (necessary for certain characteristics).* Returning to Codonopsis ovata in the Himalaya. Flowers of the Himalaya record this from Pakistan to Kashmir (in fact it is also found in Himachal Pradesh) on rocky, alpine slopes @ 3000-4000m. Stewart found this to be common on high meadows and passes, 2700-4000m in Kashmir. He also collected specimens in Ladakh at Kharbu and Mulbekh. Yet, Dickore & Klimes do not record this species in the most up-to-date check-list for Ladakh. Flora of Lahaul-Spiti records C.ovata as common on moist slopes at Darcha. I find that a somewhat surprising record (though not impossible). What increases the question-mark for me is the very rudimentary key used to distinguish between C.ovata and C.clematidea - which mentions NOTHING about the main characteristics typically used! *The trouble with printed floras is that one cannot view the pressed specimens - though this flora does* *give a collection number. However, said specimen is in an Indian herbarium, which is prohibitively expensive for me to visit and based on previous experience, I may well not be granted access otherwise.* *My doubts about the specimens from Darcha are compounded by C.clematidea being recorded from there * *during a botanical tour about 30 years ago...* Roy Lancaster recorded this species from Aphawat and Vishensar, Kashmir some 40 years ago. I recorded this (in my 1983 Kashmir Botanical Expedition Report) from near Mt. Kolahoi's north glacier, Gadsar and Vishensar. 'Plants of Gulmarg' record this from among boulders, Khelanmarg to Aphawat. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). 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