Dear Dr Rawat
I shall pass on your thanks to Jeanette for her help with a difficult genus.
I am hoping that in future, those coming across Cotoneaster in the wild
willtake more photos (for advice on doing this see:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/vD9SHWdzVds ).
MANY more postings are required to understand the genus better in the Himalaya.
Hopefully, Jeanette will continue to be willing to ATTEMPT to name these.
Membersshould always TAKE ADVANTAGE of the availability of those with
specialist knowledge -one never knows how many more years (fingers crossed,
decades) such individuals cancontinue.
The same applies to me - whether it be months, years or decades......
eFI has made much progress in the decade it has been going (in various forms)
but there isLOTS MORE to be done.
Keys are always a challenge to prepare. Not all keys are of good quality. I
tend NOT to relyon keys that much, certainly not keys ALONE.
ALL Institutions in India involved with Himalayan flora in any way should
purchase a copy of'Cotoneasters - a comprehensive guide to shrubs for flowers,
fruit & foliage' (Jeanette Fryer &Bertil Hylmo). Published by Timber Press,
2009. Price at Publication: £30.
Second-hand copies are available from c. £15 plus c.£3 p&p in UK. I am sure
arrangements could be made to have them sent directly to India. Many people
from India live in the UK. I am sure most members of this group either have
relatives or friends living in UK (or US where it can also be obtained) who
could easily obtain a copy andhave it posted or taken to India. Given the
price of some books (this has good quality photos), it is a bargain
whetherbough new or second-hand.
Though this book is not the FINAL WORD on Cotoneaster and does not just cover
those found in India (there are many from China).
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: D.S Rawat <[email protected]>
To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2017, 7:41
Subject: Re: Cotoneasters sent for naming by Jeanette Fryer
Thanks to Jeanette Fryer and Chadwell Ji for the efforts in identifying these
Cotoneasters.
This genus is difficult and it appears with the notes in all Cotoneaster
threads that species are difficult to differentiate even in nature.
We probably also need clear keys to identify species.
DSRawat Pantnagar
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 11:57:22 AM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote:
Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji, all the efforts & help.
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From: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com>
Date: 26 February 2017 at 02:13
Subject: Cotoneasters sent for naming by Jeanette Fryer
To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
I am pleased to announce that I have just received a CD back fromJeanette as to
her thoughts about the identification of the Cotoneaster imageswhich were on
eFI. As anticipated, this has taken months. She is busy with other
mattersplus is regularly sent pressed specimens and photos to be identified,
when time permits.
Indeed, it cost her £30 to hire a computer expert to open some of the files! I
can assuremembers that NOT ALL Britishers are wealthy. £30 is a significant
amount - as it is for me.....
The images taken in India which I sent to her on a CD (she does not use the
internet), has as involved a LOT of time and effort on her part. eFI members
are fortunate indeed to have those with specialist knowledge prepared to devote
time TRYING to help.
I consider everyone submitting photos of Cotoneaster in the future should TRY
hard tophotograph the parts of the plant REQUIRED to provide an accurate and
reliable identification -known as a DETERMINATION. Doing this makes it
easier, rather than more difficult and time-consuming for her.
It was not easy for her as many of the images show no sterile shoot leaves
visible - ONLY close-upsof flowers and/or fruit). In future it would be a
great help if a few leaves were turned over so that shecould see if they are
glabrous or tomentose etc.
Some of the pictures were not of good quality and pixilate when trying to
zoomin on details. She did her best with these.
I HOPE she will be willing to ATTEMPT to DETERMINE images of Cotoneaster
submitted to eFIin the future but it must be said that it is up to member's to
HELP.
Jeanette is the Botanical Society of the British Isles REFEREE (Specialist) for
COTONEASTER.
I consider it will be useful if the following advice she provided is read by
anyone likely to be photographing Cotoneasters in the future. I realise some
of this refers to PRESSED SPECIMENS but is still relevant:
COTONEASTERS FOR DETERMINATION.
'When sending specimens to me for determination, please send them between
papers - not in polythene, asI am often away from home. Also, may I remind
BSBI members that it saves a lot of time if you include with the specimen the
vice-county number, grid reference, location, situation (growing on top of a
wall or in the shade etc.),height and habitat, and if applicable, petal,
filament and other colour or fruit colour. Also, if possible, include a
sterile shoot of the current year's growth (the leaves of this shoot are
extremely important when identifying Cotoneasters). And please remember to
give me the date of collection of the specimen.
The notes above will help members to know which parts of Cotoneaster NEED to be
photographed along with accompanying field notes. IF your photos represent a
TRUE reproduction of the colour of the petals (plus other floral parts) and/or
fruits, that is fine. IF NOT, the colours observed "in then field should be
noted".
I shall gradually post the DETERMINATIONS provided.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
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