Thank you Chris for clarifying this. When the weather improves here—it has been raining with intermittent sleet and snow—I plan to hike up to Triund and look for more Bergenia plants there. If I am lucky I might find B. stracheyi too.
Regards, Ashwini > On 11 Mar 2017, at 08:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > > On 10 March 2017 at 22:20, C CHADWELL <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Apologies. An error on my part. I have, from time-to-time, INCORRECTLY used > "pasumensis". I was not paying full attention. The plants you photographed > are now > considered to be B.pacumbis. > > Your plants were known to Stewart as Bergenia himalaica syn. > B.ciliata, B.ligulata etc. - gregarious and common on shady cliffs in Kashmir > @ 1800-3000m. > Also prominent at lower levels of Rohtang, H.P. > > Whereas B.stracheyi is very common at higher altitudes, growing on rocks in > the open, > usually @ 3000-3900m in Kashmir - also occurs in moister parts of Ladakh. > Common > at higher levels on Rohtang, H.P. > > In 'Flora Simlensis' this plant was known as Saxifraga ciliate (syn. > S.ligulata) - common on > rocks at Shimla. > > In 'Flowers of the Himalaya' it was called Bergenia ciliata. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> > > > > > > > From: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, 10 March 2017, 3:37 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:265555] Bergenia ciliata ABMAR01/09 > > Thank you Chris. I was beginning to convince myself that the plant here was > B. pacumbis as advised by you last year. I can't seem to find pasumensis on > the internet, has the name changed? > > Many thanks as always. > Ashwini > > On 10-Mar-2017, at 8:40 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Thanks, Chadwell ji >> >> On 10 Mar 2017 6:12 a.m., "C CHADWELL" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> My present thoughts are that this comes within Bergenia pasumensis rather >> than Bergenia ciliata proper. >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Cc: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2017, 3:05 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:257408] Bergenia ciliata ABMAR01/09 >> >> I photographed these again to show more characteristics of the plant. I hope >> this helps establish an ID. Both surfaces of the leaf are not hairy. >> >> 1900-2000m >> 05-07 March 2017. >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> <_MG_1046_05March2017.jpg><_MG_1066_05March2017.jpg><_MG_1107_05March2017.jpg><_MG_1115_05March2017.jpg> >> <_MG_8465_07March2017.jpg> >> <_MG_8450_07March2017.jpg><_MG_8464_07March2017.jpg> >> <_MG_8503_07March2017.jpg> >> <_MG_8493_07March2017.jpg> >> <_MG_1309_05March2017.jpg> >>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 15:50, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you once again for pointing me to this. Next spring I will carefully >>> examine the leaf undersurface too. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:47, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, Chadwell ji >>>> >>>> On 22 Nov 2016 9:43 am, "chrischadwell261@btinternet. com >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>" <chrischadwell261@btinternet. >>>> com <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Lovely images again. >>>> >>>> Stewart listed Bergenia himalaica (syn. B.ciliata var. ligulata, >>>> B.ligulata) as common & gregarious on shady cliffs @ 1800-3000m in Kashmir. >>>> >>>> He mentioned B.ciliata var. ciliata as only recorded from Hazara and Kagan >>>> Valley. There has clearly been confusion between these similar taxa. >>>> >>>> Ghazanfar in Saxifragaceae (Flora of Pakistan, 1977) recognised only 2 >>>> species in Pakistan: B.stracheyi and B.ciliata, splitting the latter into >>>> forma ciliata >>>> and forma ligulata on the basis of the hirsute leaves of the former >>>> (though sometimes glabrous upper surface).. She considered forma ciliata >>>> as very common on rocks in and around the Murree area. >>>> >>>> Nowadays, B.ciliata forma ligulata (or B.himalaica as Stewart knew it) is >>>> Bergenia pacumbis. I think the plant photographed by Ashwini is this >>>> rather than what is now the separate B.ciliata (the bottom image just >>>> shows the under surface of a leaf which is shiny, not hirsute) - though I >>>> think there has been confusion between some forms of both. >>>> >>>> The plant used medicinally is mainly or perhaps exclusively Bergenia >>>> pacumbis incl. the specimens I saw being cultivated in the Medicinal >>>> Plants Section of the Nehru Botanical Garden, Srinagar, Kashmir. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 3:43:29 AM UTC+1, ashwini wrote: >>>> Yesterday I accompanied a friend and my daughter for a walk in the >>>> mountains. We walked mainly along the south facing slopes at an average >>>> altitude of about 1850m before walking down to 1800m for a tea near a >>>> small mountain stream. Along the way I saw my first Bergenia. The first >>>> plant I saw was growing out of a stone wall with small flowers and young >>>> round leaves. Farther into our walk, I saw another cluster with larger >>>> flowers and much larger leaves. Here are some photographs. Please advise >>>> if I have misidentified the plant. >>>> >>>> Bergenia ciliata—Hairy Bergenia >>>> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >>>> 1800m >>>> 27 March 2016 >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> . >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix >>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix >> <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). 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