Also reminds me of the Australian species of Acacia that one sees on hillsides of Mumbai planted by the forest dept. There must be a reason for planting these exotics not just to show a grove of healthy trees...prevention of soil erosion, I presume!
Cheers, Kiran Srivastava Mumbai On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM, rashida atthar <[email protected]>wrote: > This is interesting. Satish pardeshi ji any scientific data on what > vegetation was existing before the plantations in these areas of study and > are the vegetations /trees that were planted post the Gliricidia plantations > and were not able to thrive.? > > How does this compare to other trees that are planted on mass scale? Does > the same phenomenon exist? Some of these questions will lead to some > concrete understanding. > > regards, > Rashida. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:27:47 +0530 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32266] Re: Gliricidia sepium > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Mr. Yazdy Palia > let me clarify that it was not an observation of a casual observer but > a scientific survey of vegetation types across state of Maharashtra. what > ever i have mentioned is the observation of scientific study > in the Gliricidia plantation (plantation done by Forest department) in the > district of Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Akola, Washim and other districts. note > that i was referring to Gliricidia plantation and not a few distantly > placed Gliricidia plants planted as "coffee-shade". i have observed very few > plants growing beneath the plantataion right from Monsoon to summer season. > for the reference i am providing few images taken during the survey. > > Regards > Satish Pardeshi > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Mr. Satish Pardeshi > If what you say is true, Nothing would ever grow in my farm. I have > thousands of these trees in my 40 acre farm. I grow coffee and pepper > mainly. A lot of my pepper plants are growing on these gliricidia > trees. I do not know how long a time was spent by you in these > gliricidia plantations that you speak about. > There has to be some reason why you do not see vegetation under its > canopy. I wonder about the nature of the soil for starters. If it is > infertile land, you may not see much vegetation in any case. What is > the amount of rainfall that these areas receive? I have seen during my > stay at kaneh and Kamshet that the farmers graze sheep in these > forests. Sheep as you know is enemy number one of any forest. If sheep > grazing is practiced in these plantations, nothing will grow. A > casual visitor may assume that nothing grows under the canopy. > As far as the fallen leaves are concerned, they only encourage growth > of all plants. If you ever go there and try and move the leaves after > a few rains you will find plenty of fresh feeder roots of all plants > weeds or otherwise encouraged by the humus created by these falling > leaves. The fallen leaves encourages growth of the microorganism that > is part of soil fertility. > There is another malaise of the areas that you mention. The villagers > not only use these trees for firewood but they also take huge amounts > of firewood for the local hotels (small ones) thereby making the area > barren after a few years. Evidence of this could be seen daily in the > morning when any train stops at small stations like palasdhari, monkey > hill on the Lonavala track. They all hang the firewood on the window > grill of the train and unload it at Lonavala. > Gliricidia planted in such barren areas will nourish the soil and make > it fertile within a few years. > Regards > Yazdy. > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello all > > Vast areas and barren hillls are planted with Gliricidia in > > Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Osmanabad, Pune, Washim and Akola. the tree > > adapt it self to the environment and grows quickly. even when the > > trunk is cut down the coppice grows very fast and forms the green > > cover. the locals used it for fuel wood. i have observed the plants > > growing under the canopy of gliricidia plantation, and would like to > > mention that very few plants could survive under it. only a few > > grasses could be found growing under it. the thick layer of dried > > fallen leaves also hinder the growth of other herbs. > > > > Regards > > Satish Pardeshi > > > > On Apr 14, 10:27 am, mani nair <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Rashidaji for the information. > >> Regards, > >> Mani. > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, rashida atthar > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mani ji according to the book 'Trees of Mumbai', the scientific name > >> > Gliricidia is derived from the Spanish name 'Mata Raton' meaning > mouse > >> > killer. 'Gliris' means mouse and 'Caedo' means killer. Sepium means > hedge, > >> > the tree is sometimes planted as a hedge. Further the book mentions > that in > >> > cocoa plantations it is grown as a shade tree, when grown as a hedge > along > >> > crop fields, it acts as a wind breaker. The bark of the tree is > powdered and > >> > mixed with rice/ maize flour baits set up to kill rats. > >> > >> > regards, > >> > Rashida. > >> > >> > ------------------------------ > >> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:13:24 +0530 > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32227] Gliricidia sepium > >> > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; > >> > [email protected]; [email protected]; > >> > [email protected] > >> > >> > I believe that the bark of the trees is used as a rat poison. > >> > >> > Please clarify. > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > >> > Mani. > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Padmini Raghavan <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Yazdyji, > >> > I have been trying without success to get a sapling of Gliricidia > sepium > >> > as we have a rat menace at our apartment compound. A family of > bandicoots > >> > has made itself so well entrenched that their burrows have killed a > row of > >> > various coloured Ceasalpinia pulcherrima > >> > adjacent to our compound wall. The one cutting I obtained did not > root, > >> > (inspite of it being called Quickstick)! > >> > My neihbours have tried Rat poison but it has not worked. > >> > >> > In 1960, my uncle had planted a whole lot of these saplings to give > shelter > >> > to teak seedlings he had planted on his land, which was on a small > hill > >> > behind the farmhouse at a village (Ghunpur) near Nizamabad. He had > hoped > >> > that a teak forest would make the summers more bearable. > >> > >> > I too would love to obtain some seeds from you. > >> > Rgds, > >> > Padmini Raghavan. > >> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Tanay, > >> > Just tell me how much you require, I will send you mature pods or > >> > seeds that have been dispersed when the pods burst. > >> > I have a few thousand of these trees. They form excellent green > >> > manure, they nourish the soil by fixing nitrogen and they are very > >> > good standards for cultivating black pepper. Ultimately if and when > >> > you think of cutting them, they give very good timber for small > >> > furniture as good as teak. > >> > The flowers provide plenty of nectar for my honey bees too. > >> > Regards > >> > Yazdy. > >> > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> > "efloraofindia" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > >> > . > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > >> > >> > ------------------------------ > >> > The battle for the FIH Hockey World Cup Drag n' drop< > http://specials.msn.co.in/sp10/hockey/index.aspx> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > -- > Satish Pardeshi > Plant Taxonomist > Mumbai, Pune > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > ------------------------------ > All the post budget analysis and implications Sign up > now.<http://news.in.msn.com/moneyspecial/budget2010/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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