Dear Chris, Thank you for the elaborated insight information. And it is so difficult for beginners like me.
Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:38 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: 22 October 2017 at 09:33 > Subject: [efloraofindia:279578] Re: Impatiens amplexicaulis Edgew. Please > verify?? > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Re: Saroj's guess of *Impatiens glandulifera* kindly check AND READ > THROUGH ALL THE CONTENT OF: https://sites.google.com/a/shp > a.org.uk/fowh/impatiens-1 > ALSO: https://sites.google.com/a/shpa.org.uk/fowh/how-not-to-attem > pt-to-identify-plants INDEED ALL OF MY 'FLOWERS OF THE NORTH-WEST > HIMALAYA - A VIRTUAL GUIDE: https://sites.google.com/a/shpa.org.uk/fowh/. > > *I wonder how many Impatiens in the Himalaya have stipular glands?* Any > characteristic of foliage which is either diagnostic of a particular > species or can help to distinguish between a number of species, when a > specimen is not in flower is especially useful is such a challenging genus > identification-wise. It would be helpful if members of eFI (after > carefully digesting ALL the content of my 'virtual' guide mentioned > above) who can access colonies of *I.glandulifera* in the Himalaya, could > check if reddish roots at lower notes do exhibit an antiseptic odour as in > the UK. > > HAPPY READING... I CONSIDER MY 'VIRTUAL' GUIDE (WHICH IS IN ITS EARLY > STAGES) SHOULD BE *ESSENTIAL* BACKGROUND READING FOR ALL EFLORAOFINDIA > MEMBERS, NOT JUST CONTRIBUTORS OF IMAGES. > > As for *I.glandulifera*, as far as I know, this species is not recorded > for Nepal. Hooker's record published in 1842 was probably an error. > Hooker's 'Flora of British India' was a decent effort for its time but > woefully out-of-date (from the 19th Century) nowadays. It is littered with > errors (not to mention many species not recognised at that time) - hardly > surprising how little explored and studied India's flora was at that time. > To rely on it too heavily is unwise. I have seen recent pages posted of > Crassulaceae from Chowdhery & Wadwha's 'Flora of Himachal Pradesh Analysis' > ...(1984) which uses the 19th Century nomenclature and taxonomic treatment > of Hooker; it is in fact little more than a ABBREVIATED COPY OF CONTENT OF > HOOKER'S WORK. *I have no idea what 'Analysis' means in this respect. I > do not possess a copy of their 'flora'. Perhaps a member can explain? > From the Crassulaceae pages, it seems one would be better of just referring > to Hooker (his Flora is available on-line) BUT recognising just how > out-of-date it is...... I hope that Chowdhery & Wadwha gave due > acknowledgement of the source of their incredibly brief descriptions - they > certainly do not come from observations in Himachal Pradesh themselves nor > fresh pressed specimens in Indian herbaria collected by Indian botanists > since Independence - as one might reasonably image in a genuine 'Flora'.* > > When making a suggestion for an identification, it really is important for > eFI members to check whether the suggested species 'fits' in terms of prior > records for a country/region and altitudinal range. I am dismayed that few > owners of 'Flowers of the Himalaya' EVER check this information. Yes, > significant extensions of geographic and altitudinal ranges do occur but > not very often. If e.g. what a reader of this 'guide' (it is NOT a > 'Flora') thinks they have 'matched' to a particular species does not > 'tally', in terms of where it grew then probably, they need to look more > closely, as in all probability, what they think will be a misidentification. > > Data-bases littered with misidentifications, whether they are > printed check-lists or floras or on-line ones, create MAJOR problems. The > objective should always be to ENRICH not ENLARGE a data-base, whether > on-line or a traditional herbarium. What matters is not how large the > number of specimens there are in a herbarium or entries in an on-line > data-base but its QUALITY i.e. how many are RELIABLY IDENTIFIED. Nowadays > too many people uncritically accept what they read or see. When one > searches/'google's the name of a plant species DO NOT TOO READILY BELIEVE > THE ACCOMPANYING IMAGES ARE OF THE *GENUINE* ARTICLE - I CAN ASSURE YOU > THAT A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION ARE NOT. > > > > On Thursday, August 7, 2014 at 9:08:24 AM UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> >> Date: 24 JULY, 2014 >> >> Location: On the way to Kalinchok, Dolakha District, East Nepal >> >> Altitude : 9000 ft. >> >> Thank you and best wishes! >> >> saroj >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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