Thank you Dr. Gogoi ! Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rajib Gogoi <[email protected]> wrote: > The images looks like I. cathcarthii > > > Rajib Gogoi > > > On Thursday 19 October 2017, 10:05:33 PM IST, Saroj Kasaju < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Need your help again ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > Forwarded conversation > Subject: *SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID* > ------------------------ > > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:18 PM > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < > [email protected]> > > > Dear Members, > > Location: Soureni, Mirik, India > Date: 18 May 2017 > Altitude: 4500 ft. > > Impatiens ... ?? > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:54 AM > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > Beautiful images. > Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site. > > ---------- > From: *Wojciech Adamowski* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > This one looks like I. jurpia or something close. > See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ > research/publication/botany/ download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161. pdf > <https://www.kahaku.go.jp/research/publication/botany/download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pdf> > Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working > mainly with herbarium specimens. > Best regards Wojciech > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM > To: Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju < > [email protected]> > > > Thanks, Wojciech ji. > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]> > > > Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching . > Shall I wait for further verification ? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Wojciech Adamowski* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > It could take loooooong time, as all what I know is from literature and > pictures found via internet... > However, Dr. Rajib Gogoi will be doing revision of balsams of Sikkim and > West Bengal in next three years. > I suppose he will be interested in pictures of Impatiens from this area. > Best regards Wojciech > > > 16:50 wtorek, 2017-7-4, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> napisał(a): > > > Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching . > Shall I wait for further verification ? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Wojciech ji. > > On 04-Jul-2017 7:26 PM, "Wojciech Adamowski" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This one looks like I. jurpia or something close. > See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ > research/publication/botany/do wnload/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pd f > <https://www.kahaku.go.jp/research/publication/botany/download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pdf> > Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working > mainly with herbarium specimens. > Best regards Wojciech > > > 4:09 wtorek, 2017-7-4, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> napisał(a): > > > Beautiful images. > Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Saroj Kasaju" <[email protected]> > Date: 03-Jul-2017 10:03 PM > Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID > To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: > > Dear Members, > > Location: Soureni, Mirik, India > Date: 18 May 2017 > Altitude: 4500 ft. > > Impatiens ... ?? > > Saroj Kasaju > > > > > > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Mr. Garg, > > Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < > [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > Tabish <[email protected]> > > > Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Thanks, Saroj ji. > > ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < > [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > I don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the > dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur > (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia. > It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is > found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is > only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower > visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM > To: Tabish <[email protected]>, Wojciech Adamowski < > [email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < > [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Can anyone help ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens > cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from > the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, Tabish <[email protected]>, > Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]> > > > Thanks, Wojciech ji. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <[email protected]> > Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: > > I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. > Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in > Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122. > However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her > opinion. > Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. > Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. > Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178. > Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in > Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs. > I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion. > Best regards Wojciech > > > > > 13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> napisał(a): > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > > > ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju < > [email protected]>, Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]> > > > Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have > attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different > from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my > earlier response. > However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, > characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this > small hump is within the variations in the species. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:10 PM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Tabish < > [email protected]> > > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > Forwarded conversation > Subject: *SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID* > ------------------------ > > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:18 PM > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Members, > > Location: Soureni, Mirik, India > Date: 18 May 2017 > Altitude: 4500 ft. > > Impatiens ... ?? > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:54 AM > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > Beautiful images. > Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site. > > ---------- > From: *Wojciech Adamowski* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, efloraofindia > <indiantreepix@googlegroups. > com <[email protected]>> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > This one looks like I. jurpia or something close. > See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ > research/publication/botany/do wnload/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pd f > <https://www.kahaku.go.jp/research/publication/botany/download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pdf> > Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working > mainly with herbarium specimens. > Best regards Wojciech > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM > To: Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>>, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > Thanks, Wojciech ji. > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]>, efloraofindia > <indiantreepix@googlegroups. > com <[email protected]>> > > > Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching . > Shall I wait for further verification ? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Wojciech Adamowski* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Mr. Garg, > > Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]>, Tabish < > [email protected]> > > > Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>> > > > Thanks, Saroj ji. > > ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > I don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the > dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur > (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia. > It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is > found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is > only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower > visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM > To: Tabish <[email protected]>, Wojciech Adamowski < > [email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Can anyone help ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]>, efloraofindia > <indiantreepix@googlegroups. > com <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens > cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from > the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, Tabish <[email protected]>, > Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]> > > > Thanks, Wojciech ji. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <[email protected]> > Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: > > I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. > Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in > Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122. > However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her > opinion. > Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. > Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. > Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178. > Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in > Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs. > I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion. > Best regards Wojciech > > > > > 13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> napisał(a): > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > > > ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>>, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, > Wojciech Adamowski <[email protected]> > > > Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have > attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different > from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my > earlier response. > However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, > characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this > small hump is within the variations in the species. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM > To: Tabish <[email protected]> > Cc: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]>, Wojciech Adamowski < > [email protected]> > > > Dear Mr. Garg, > > Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ? > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- > From: *Wojciech Adamowski* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:52 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, Tabish <[email protected]> > Cc: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]> > > > Dr. Rajib Gogoi is just going to Sikkim for field trip, so he will be out > of commision for at least three weeks. > Best regards Wojciech > > > 17:51 wtorek, 2017-8-22, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> napisał(a): > > > Dear Mr. Garg, > > Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ? > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have > attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different > from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my > earlier response. > However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, > characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this > small hump is within the variations in the species. > Tabish > > ------------------------------ ------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:39 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Wojciech ji. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <[email protected]> > Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: > > I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. > Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in > Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122. > However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her > opinion. > Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. > Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. > Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178. > Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in > Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs. > I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion. > Best regards Wojciech > > > > > 13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> napisał(a): > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Tabish* <[email protected]> > Date: 6 July 2017 at 15:44 > Subject: Re: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:55 PM > To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Not since past around 50 days. > > ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:08 PM > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, Wojciech Adamowski < > [email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Thank you. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
