You are right Giby. Cinnamomum tamala (popularly known as 'Tejpata' in northern India) is a Himalayan species and doesn't occur in W.Ghats (Brahmagiri hills). It will be difficult to identify up to species level with the available image. We can only say it is not C. zeylanicum (= C. verum, not a wild sp.) and nor C. malabathrum (lvs will be larger).
By looking at the elevation (may be shola type of forest) and the associations (Acacia, some fern and Eupatorium glandulosum) i guess it is a shola element so probably it is either *C. wightii* or *C. camphora*. However it needs confirmation. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Giby Kuriakose <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Tanay Bose, > > > Thank you for your reply and the references. Now I am getting clear on one > thing that, C.tamala may not be a Western Ghat species. (please ref the > following lines taken from flora of Pakistan link provided by tanay bose, > "Type: From Derwani and Gongachora, cultivated in a garden at Rang-poor, * > Hamilton* (BM). Distribution: Tropical and subtropical Himalayas from the > Indus to Bhutan, ascending to 2000 m in Sikkim." > > In the literature, flora and other checklists available from the Brahmagiri > part of the Western Ghats, I couldn't find the said species. However, I > found that Nayar et al, 2006 in their wonderful work of Flowering plants of > Kerala published by TBGRI has been excluded this species because of > different reasons including "erroneously included or misidentified as > evidenced from literature". The only citation of C.tamala in South indian > flora, as far as I know, is "Flowering plants of Travencore" by Rama Rao, M. > 1914, which is excluded now. > > Now, I want to make it clear that I thought it would be a synonym for C. > malabathrum because someone has put C.tamala as "malabathrum" plant in > wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabathrum) again, the picture > provided here is incorrect. This is why I asked whether it is a synonym or > not. > > > Regards, > > Giby > > ATREE, Bangalore > > > > On 18 April 2010 17:32, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Giby Ji (Similax004), >> *Cinnamomum tamala* is undoubtedly a valid name as far as I know and not >> a synonym. You can check out from the following efloras >> >> 1. E-FLORA OF CHINA- >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008729 >> 2. E-FLORA OF PAKISTAN- >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200008729 >> 3. >> >> Regards >> Tanay >> >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Smilax004 <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Please do not depend unauthorized internet sites for plant >>> identification. Have a look at the following link for a blunder. >>> I strongly feel that we may not be able to id the species of >>> Cinnamomum from a picture that too when the flowers or fruits are not >>> available (exception is C riparium). Identification from just leaves >>> are always confusing for Cinnamomum. Considering the altitude of >>> Brahmagiri where the photo is taken there are possibilities of other >>> species too. >>> >>> Dear Tanay, >>> >>> Is C. tamala a recognized specific epithet or a synonym? I couldnt >>> find the same in the literature. Would you please provide the >>> literature/flora where it is given for reference. >>> >>> >>> http://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://www.indianetzone.com/photos_gallery/1/277_Cinnamomum-tamala.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.indianetzone.com/1/tejpat.htm&usg=__uq3ubv8ljYwJQeF4g8G4BKSBNL4=&h=158&w=230&sz=21&hl=en&start=15&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=Lmy9-V7Sz0QDAM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcinnamomum%2Btamala%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1 >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> Giby >>> ATREE, Bangalore >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 17, 9:38 am, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Dear Raghu Ji, >>> > I am just using your format to indicate what I could observe in red >>> letter >>> > (please don’t mind for using red color and bold text) I am excluding >>> floral >>> > and fruit character because it’s absent in the plant…. I am quite sure >>> it’s >>> > *C tamala*…… >>> > >>> > *Taxonomy* >>> > >>> > Trees, medium sized, up to 10 m tall; 2 Meters, Ok OK >>> > >>> > branchlets slender. Ok OK >>> > >>> > Terminal bud small, -Not clear in my photo ZOOM THE PHOTO YOU CAN SEE >>> IT AT >>> > THE APEX OF THE BRANCHES!! >>> > >>> > sericeous, (Soft hairs -yes) >>> > >>> > 2 bud scales. >>> > >>> > *Leaves * >>> > >>> > sub-opposite OK OK >>> > >>> > or spirally arranged, OK OK >>> > >>> > chartaceous (paper like) ONLY FOUND IN MATURE LEAF I HOPE!!! >>> > >>> > to sub-coriaceous, >>> > >>> > glabrous in mature specimens, As of now no hairs observed (appears >>> smooth) SIZE >>> > OF THE LEAVES INDICATE THEY ARE QUITE MATURE NOW !! >>> > >>> > ovate, oblong to lanceolate, OK OK >>> > >>> > 2.5-8 x 7.5-25 cm, OK OK >>> > >>> > apex long acuminate OK OK >>> > >>> > base acute; OK OK >>> > >>> > above smooth, OK >>> > >>> > the main nerves prominulous, PROMINULOUS MEANS SLIGHTLY RAISED ABOVE >>> THE >>> > TISSUE- OK >>> > >>> > below obscurely, >>> > >>> > densely minutely reticulate, CAN’T BE SEEN >>> > >>> > midrib slender, Ok OK >>> > >>> > prominent, OK >>> > >>> > basal nerves prominent, OK >>> > >>> > 4/5 or more of the lamina length, OK >>> > >>> > connected by faint, parallel secondary veins, OK >>> > >>> > 3-5 mm apart. OK >>> > >>> > Petiole slender, up to 1.5 cm long. OK OK >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Kenneth Greby <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Looks like a young Cinnamomum species to me. I'll leave it to the >>> experts >>> > > here to provide the correct specific epithet. >>> > >>> > > Regards-- >>> > > Ken. >>> > >>> > > ------------------------------ >>> > > *From:* raghu ananth <[email protected]> >>> > > *To:* [email protected] >>> > > *Sent:* Fri, April 16, 2010 8:35:06 AM >>> > > *Subject:* [efloraofindia:32424] Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01 >>> > >>> > > Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01 >>> > > (record photo, photographed from 200 meters distance) >>> > >>> > > Narimale, Brahmagiri hills, >>> > > 07Dec2008, Elevation - 1405 meters, >>> > > Height ~2 meters. Leaf length - 5 inches, >>> > > Secondary venation - vertical, >>> > >>> > > Regards >>> > >>> > > Raghu >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > > "efloraofindia" group. >>> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>> <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> >>> > > . >>> > > For more options, visit this group at >>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > > "efloraofindia" group. >>> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>> <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> >>> > > . >>> > > For more options, visit this group at >>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tanay Bose >>> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>> > 9830439691(Mobile) >>> > 9674221362 (Mobile) >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >>> groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> > > > -- > GIBY KURIAKOSE > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), > Royal Enclave, > Jakkur Post, Srirampura > Bangalore- 560064 > India > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) > visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > -- With regards R. 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