Thanks a lot, Ron ji.
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From: Ron Kushner
Date: 16 December 2017 at 11:23
Subject: Re: Ipomoea coccinea and Ipomoea rubriflora
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>
Hi Garg ji,
I'm not entirely certain of which entry you want to dispose of...
Regarding the following:
1) Ipomoea rubriflora occurs only in Bolivia and is quite unlikely to occur
in India, so if the listing for Ipomoea should reflect only those likely to
occur in India, then it may not be indicated, although, to keep the
taxonomy clear, you might want to retain the I.rubrifloa and if you need it
here is the reference :
Ipomoea (Convolvulaceae) in Bolivia
Kew Bulletin (2015) 70:30
.Wood1,2, M. A. Carine3, D. Harris4, P. Wilkin2, B. Williams1 & R. W.
Scotland1
2) Ipomoea coccinea has reflexed fruit and only 28 chromosomes and is
recognized by both ars-grin and Kew as a distinct species.
I believe this should have it's own devoted entry
The photo on the left currently in this entry has clearly erect frut and is
Ipomoea hederifolia, while the photo on the right has no fruit and cannot
at this stage be distinguished as Ipomoea hederifolia or Ipomoea coccinea.
3) Ipomoea hederifolia has erect fruit, 30 chromosomes and is
chemotaxonomically different than Ipomoea coccinea.
I believe Ipomoea hederifolia should have it's own devoted entry.
There has been much confusion over distinguishing Ipomoea coccinea from
Ipomoea hederifolia mainly because people don't know what to look for and
erroneous guides also based upon mis-identification and confusion, although
I believe the aspect to observe the behavior of the pedicel in fruit is the
easiest way of differentiating between the 2 different species.
I think your site should help to eliminate confusion by providing
distinguishing details, rather than simply glossing over historically
confused areas.
I can only share my opinion, you are the administrator and I respect your
right to construct the site as you see most befitting.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this area.
regards,
Ron
P.S. - Please share any aspect of my communications with you as you see
befitting.
I tried to login a few days ago and google didn't like the email I
provided, so I was unable to login...I'll try to get this rectified at some
point...
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 02:18 AM, J.M. Garg wrote:
Should we keep this entry at all when there is hardly any noticeable
difference between this & Ipomoea hederifolia
<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/convolvulaceae/ipomoea/ipomoea-hederifolia>
?
On 12 December 2017 at 12:46, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ron ji,
> I have made a new url. Pl. see
> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl
> /convolvulaceae/ipomoea/ipomoea-coccinea
>
> On 12 December 2017 at 08:21, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ron ji.
>>
>> On 12-Dec-2017 12:36 AM, "Ron Kushner" wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Garg ji,
>>>
>>> I've noticed the entry for Ipomoea coccinea here :
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl
>>> /convolvulaceae/ipomoea/ipomoea-rubriflora
>>>
>>> my strong position is that the plant List is once again , very wrong.
>>>
>>> I have repeatedly warned about the Plant List and many innacuuracies and
>>> this is an outstanding one.
>>>
>>> Ipomoea coccinea is still recognized by the ars-grin site and the Kew
>>> database.
>>>
>>> Ipomoea coccinea
>>> http://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do;jsessionid=F0FE002
>>> 98E83474951A602858A808609.kppapp06-wcsp?name_id=481077
>>>
>>> Ipomoea rubriflora
>>> http://wcsp.science.kew.org/synonomy.do;jsessionid=F0FE00298
>>> E83474951A602858A808609.kppapp06-wcsp?name_id=482500
>>>
>>> The treatment describing Ipomoea rubriflora is in "Ipomoea of Bolivia"
>>> where it is described as :
>>> 1) rare
>>>
>>> 2) occurring in* only a very small locality in Bolivia and no where
>>> else*
>>>
>>> So, the Plant List is Wrong.
>>>
>>> Ipomoea coccinea should in no way, shape, manner or form be confused
>>> with Ipomoea rubriflora.
>>>
>>> Should you decide to update the reference, please change the url to
>>> contain Ipomoea coccinea instead of Ipomoea rubrifloa to help prevent any
>>> confusion.
>>>
>>> Please always double check whatever the Plant List states by cross
>>> referencing both ars-grin and the Kew database.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> .
>>>
>>
>
>
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