Sorry, Dinesh ji, for the misunderstanding. Yes you are right. On 03-Jan-2018 9:58 PM, "Dinesh Valke" <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Garg ji, > I and Lalithamba ji are saying the same about the fruits ... > > Quoting her ... > ... further the capsule is ovoid in T.pentandra; it is *globular in > T.rhomboidea*. > Eflora of Pakistan, eflora of Zimbabwe, kew says fruit is ovoid in > T.pentandra; it is *globular in T.rhomboidea* > > Quoting me ... > *rhomboidea* fruits are comparatively smaller and *appear spherical* than > those of *pentandra*. > > > I used the word spherical for globular. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 10:29 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Lalithamba ji. >> >> On 01-Jan-2018 5:51 AM, "lalithamba" <alalitha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Eflora of Pakistan, eflora of Zimbabwe, kew says fruit is ovoid in >>> T.pentandra; it is globular in T.rhomboidea >>> A.Lalithamba >>> >>> On Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:19:02 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, Dinesh ji. >>>> Lalithamba ji is saying opposite of what you said regarding fruits. >>>> But I think ultimately key hinges on the number of stamen as hairyness >>>> of spine is difficult to be judged with naked eyes which I felt after going >>>> through numerous posts. >>>> >>>> On 31-Dec-2017 8:25 PM, "Dinesh Valke" <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>> I had posted 3 species of Triumfetta found commonly in northern >>>>> Western Ghats, for validation and comparison >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/YPgQCKeQLe8/uFMFt7q4AAAJ>. >>>>> >>>>> I think, the *fruits and flowers together* give a better picture of >>>>> their identity. >>>>> *rhomboidea* flowers are clearly twice as big than the *pentandra*. >>>>> *rhomboidea* fruits are comparatively smaller and appear spherical >>>>> than those of *pentandra*. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:47 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>> Differences between these two species is mainly based on whether >>>>>> spines on the capsule is glabrous (Triumfetta rhomboidea) or with a line >>>>>> of >>>>>> spreading hairs on the dorsal side (Triumfetta pentandra). ON going >>>>>> through >>>>>> the posts in efi I find it is very difficult to check this with naked >>>>>> eyes. >>>>>> Other factor is the number of stamen in the flowers, about which >>>>>> different sources talk about differently as below: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Triumfetta rhomboidea >>>>>> >>>>>> Triumfetta pentandra >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora of Pakistan >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=133837>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens mostly 15, rarely fewer but not less than 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens mostly 5, rarely up to 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> BSI Flora of India >>>>>> <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=3563&type=3>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens 8 - 15 >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens 5 (rarely up to 10). >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013664> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> Not found >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora of North America >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=200013664> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens 10–15 >>>>>> >>>>>> Not found >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora of Zimbabwe >>>>>> <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=138700> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not mentioned >>>>>> <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=138750> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stamens usually 5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Most of our postings show 10 stamen. 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