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Saroj Kasaju On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:32 PM, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com > wrote: > These images taken at Sangam, Leh initially defeated me but I am now > thinking > about the possibility of *Lepidium latifolium (or perhaps L.obtusum*) - > though I am not certain about distinguishing > between the two, particularly as the 3 images only reveal a few clues. > > I have just noticed in 'Vascular plant flora of Lower Ladakh.." Klimes & > Dickore, that they have in > the list of species found in Brassicaceae (formerly Cruciferae) *Lepidium > cf. latifolium* from dry screes, > dumps, along road banks. They say that *L.obtusum* differs from > *L.latifolium* by sepals persistent in > fruit and racemes not elongated in fruit - was only recently found in > Ladakh. Their records may refer > to both species. > > There may well be other characteristics found to distinguish them but > clearly one cannot distinguish between > them on the basis of the images here. > > According to 'Flowers of the Himalaya', *Lepidium latifolium* (commonly > known as 'Dittander') is common on stony > slopes in Ladakh. Distributed from Afghanistan to Kashmir (3000-3600m), > W.Asia, Europe, N.Africa. A species > with such a wide distribution is likely to be considered to have varieties > and perhaps subspecies, which when studied > further may be elevated to specific rank. > > Stewart noted it was common in much of N.Pakistan and Ladakh @ 1500-3900m > (quite a bit different to range given in > 'Flowers of Himalaya'). He comments, "Although there is much difference > between the xerophytic specimens in the inner, > drier regions and those in the Kashmir Valley I agree with Hedge that it > is hardly possible to maintain subspecies and varieties". > Maybe now, with further study, that is no longer the case, such that > perhaps the variants in Ladakh may all be included within > a different species to *L.latifolium* one day? Obviously, this cannot be > deduced from the 3 images taken at Sangam. > > In 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' *L.latifolium* is described as being frequent > on open slopes. It is clear that further study and revision > of the genus is required (Stewart back in the 1970s commented for a > different genus in the Brassicaceae, *Malcomia* that further > study was required using modern cytological methods). The authors list > *L.apetalum* as frequent in sandy soils (in FBI it was under > *L.ruderale* a European species) yet they also have L.virginicum (also > giving L.ruderale as a synonym) which they say how they > distinguish it from - which they record as frequent on open slopes and > along roadsides at Khoksar. Dickore & Klimes do not list > *L.virginicum* from Ladakh. Stewart only has the species as a dubious > record from Murree (what was an old British 'hill-station) in > Pakistan. > > This species is found in the UK, another common name there is > 'Broad-leaved Pepperwort'. It is found in salt-marshes > and wet sand. Many plants in Ladakh tolerate 'salty' conditions, indeed > some are halophytes. Many will know of salt > lakes in Ladakh (and Tibet proper). It was formerly cultivated as a > condiment. I have not seen it myself in the UK (it is > rather rare) but a photo I have seen did not bring the images taken at > Sangam to mind. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > *To:* efloraofindia <email@example.com> > *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, 25 September 2016, 6:56 > *Subject:* Fwd: SK56JUL27-2016:ID > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Saroj Kasaju* <kasajusa...@gmail.com> > Date: 27 July 2016 at 19:54 > Subject: SK56JUL27-2016:ID > To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia < > firstname.lastname@example.org> > > > Dear Mr. Garg, > Enclosing some pictures for identification . > Location : Sangam, Leh > Date: 240August 2014 > Thank you. > Saroj Kasaju > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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