Thanks a lot, Singh ji. On 11 August 2018 at 22:56, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The three species have been much confused, and still confused at various > websites. I have photographed all three, and from various sources this is > conclusion: > 1. Solanum hispidum would commonly have blue flowers with larger flowers > which are blue in colour with spreading much broader corolla lobes. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solanum_species#/ > media/File:Solanum_hispidum_3.jpg > > 2. S. chrysotrichum has white flowers large to very large leaves (usually > 9-35 cm long) with several to numerous (seven to thirteen) moderately > deep to very deep lobes. Its relatively large white flowers (30-40 mm > across) have relatively large sepals (7-10 mm long). The dense star-shaped > (i.e. stellate) hairs on its new growth are reddish in colour. > https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/solanum_ > chrysotrichum.htm > > 3. Solanum torvum also with white flowers has moderately large > leaves (usually 5-21 cm long) with several (about seven) slight to > moderately deep lobes. Its relatively small white flowers (up to 25 mm > across) have small sepals (3-4 mm long). The dense star-shaped (i.e. > stellate) hairs on its new growth are whitish or yellowish in colour. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solanum_species#/ > media/File:Solanum_torvum_3.jpg > > Here are my images of three species > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 9:34 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Solanum robustum >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-robustum> >> as >> per images and details herein and as per another thread >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/7LVmZA48pmg>. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >> Date: 19 January 2014 at 10:51 >> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:177934] Nilgiris :: Solanum weed for >> identification :: 211213MK003 >> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >> Cc: Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.botan...@gmail.com>, Dr Santhosh Kumar < >> drsanthosh1...@gmail.com>, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>, Muthu >> Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com>, "D.S Rawat" <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com> >> >> >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> I hope Solanum torvum- Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> *I remember collecting similar plant in Bangalore and identifying it as >> Solanum hispidum. There is confusion over the nomenclature of this group of >> species: S. hispidum - S. asperolanatum - S. chrysotrichum. The posted >> plant could turn to be a species * >> I remember collecting similar plant in Bangalore and identifying it as >> Solanum hispidum. >> There is confusion over the nomenclature of this group of species: S. >> hispidum - S. asperolanatum - S. chrysotrichum. >> The posted plant could turn to be a species different from the above. But >> to me it doesn't look like S. torvum, mainly due to the reddish brown >> glandular hairs (?) on young parts and fruits, winged stems, nature of >> leaves and fruits etc. More pictures and details may help confirm the >> species. >> Regards >> Vijayasankar >> >> *I too collected this species and still remained unidentified *--SANTHOSH >> >> >> That is interesting. What a coincidence. I photographed this plant last >> year growing along roadside in Pathankot near J & K-Punjab border. I had >> identified it as S. chrysotrichum, and came to know that it has often been >> confused and reported as S. hispidum. I was even prepared to incorporate >> this in our website key, but deferred it to check whether species has been >> reported from India or not. I think typical specimens of S. hispidum have >> blue flowers. >> *No wonder S. torvum, S. hispidum and S. chrysotrichum form a close >> species complex. * >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> A link to show how often S. chrysotrichum has been confused with S. >> hispidum. Santosh ji and Vijayasankar ji, may we try to find real >> differences between the two species. Both I find (and I had seen this in >> Pathankot plant) are much larger and taller than S. torvum, S. hispidum >> being the largest of the three. >> http://www.flora.sa.gov.au/efsa/lucid/Solanaceae/Solanum%20s >> pecies/key/Australian%20Solanum%20species/Media/Html/Solanum >> _chrysotrichum_(prev._S._hispidum).htm >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> One more link >> http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-4 >> 90a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Html/Solanum_chrysotrichum.htm >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Any one having access to JSTOR may help >> http://www.jstor.org/stable/25129967?seq=2 >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> Solanum torvum (=S.erianthum) have entire lanceolate leaves and plant do >> not have spines on any parts. Seems more closer to S.hispidum. BUT as >> Vijayshankar Ji has pointed out nomeclature is ambiguous. >> DSRawat Pantnagar >> Solanum erianthum D. Don and S. torvum Sw. are totally different species, >> former without prickles and latter with distinct broad based prickles >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=130618 >> S. torvum is a smaller shrub barely taller than 2 m, whereas S. erianthum >> is frequently a tree. >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> Now I understand that the plant I referred here is *S.erianthum*. 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