Because when I see the characters then I can make out that its not any of the existing species. So first thought is, it could be a new species. Second guess with the colour and morphological characters I can guess that it could be a hybrid. Third question is if hybrid, then who are parents? All hybrids have mixture of characters from both parents, usually. Then I know what two species are found in that region and sort out one by one. On the other hand, if this plant produces fruits and seeds and seeds give plants same as this one which are able to set seeds and produce plant same as this, then they can be considered as a new species.
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 11:57, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Pankaj > thank you > i love the 1929 Nature report of the meeting or the debate. they were so > very open and literate about their subjects. > > my real question was > how does Pankaj know its a natural hybrid of Calante triplicata and > sylvatica (masuca). > > so now i will answer my own question: > 1. Pankaj must know these two orchids occur in the same general vicinity > 2. same pollinator visits them > 3 Pankaj knows these orchids so well that he recognizes their features in > a hybrid > > and so it behooves someone to follow these plants up and see if fruits > develop > and subsequent progeny starts a new species? > so Prashant you have a big job now. > > > but before heroic efforts of traveling back to munnar etc ..... > is this inference correct? > > usha di > > > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Natural hybrids are those plants that appear due to hybridization >> naturally, which happens when two or more compatible species co-occurrence >> in the same habitat and are cross pollinated by similar or same vectors. >> Not uncommon in orchids. This is how speciation also occurs, that is, new >> species are established. Also occur among animals like one of my friend >> worked on natural hybridization between domestic chicken and wild red >> jungle fowl in India. >> Artificial hybrids are obviously produced by human being by crossing two >> different species or even genera. Usually they will register it with the >> authority at Royal Horticulture Society for example for orchids, Singapore >> Botanic Garden for Gingers etc. >> Whether natural or artificial, one crucial issue is if the offsprings of >> the hybrids can produce fruits and seeds and if those seeds are able to >> produce plants identical to the hybrid parents. In most cases, they are not. >> You will be surprised to know that there are only around 28000 orchid >> species in the world but around 150,000 - 200,000 orchid hybrids in the >> world. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids some animals >> >> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 01:36, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> intriguing phrase: a natural hybrid >>> >>> what is it >>> how does one know or differentiate from a lab created hybrid? >>> >>> thanks in advance , pankaj >>> usha di >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes we already chatted, This i think is a natural hybrid of Calante >>>> triplicata and sylvatica (masuca). >>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 14:44, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> Hi .. This is Calanthe species. Probably Calanthe sylvatica >>>>> Regards >>>>> Ravee >>>>> >>>>> efi page on Calanthe sylvatica >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orchidaceae/calanthe/calanthe-sylvatica> >>>>> with >>>>> images. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Prashant Awale <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 8 September 2018 at 14:31 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:304090] ID Request- Munnar-PKA1 >>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>> This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar. >>>>> Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM >>>>> Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft. >>>>> >>>>> Requesting ID.. >>>>> Thanks & Regards >>>>> Prashant >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> 1,00,000 are directly displayed). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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