Good discussion and conclusions. AShwini and great pictures usha di
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:13 AM Paradesi Anjaneyulu < paradesianjiney...@gmail.com> wrote: > A Marvellous presentation Ashwini Ji, > With regards. > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 13:55, Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Scrophularia L. - GBIFhttps://www.gbif.org/species/3170861/metrics >> <https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwio25mZ-obkAhW17XMBHY6ZAz4QFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbif.org%2Fspecies%2F3170861%2Fmetrics&usg=AOvVaw1Mh8BI_jDGD2GfFUl8mA3O> >> Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex Benth. >> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/41698dc5635f4c2e80a035b8fdc42467> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:43 PM Ashwini Bhatia <mcleodw...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some >>> confusion about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell >>> (*Scrophulariaceae >>> of the Western Himalyas*) and earlier George Bentham (*Scrophularianeae >>> Indicae*) both use *Scrophularia himlayensis*, POWO only recognises >>> *Scrophularia >>> himalensis*. >>> >>> A very similar plant, *Scrophularia elatior*, is listed in Flora of >>> China and is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given *Nepal and >>> farther east towards South-central China*. >>> >>> There is no mention of *S. himalensis* in Flora of China, which is >>> understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: >>> *in >>> Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir.* >>> >>> So our plants should be *S. himalensis *since *S. himalayensis* is not >>> accepted by POWO or the Plant List. >>> >>> When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I >>> could not find out. >>> >>> Pennell describes the species as: >>> >>> "Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; >>> inflorescence relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, >>> slightly scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. >>> long; seeds 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete." >>> >>> This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would >>> if Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet >>> to see the seeds but the *inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm >>> long* on plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is >>> correct in the description but *style is roughly 12mm long*. The four >>> stamens are slightly shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The >>> *leaves >>> can be as large as 25cm long and 12cm wide* and vary in shape on the >>> same plant, some more elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of >>> the most attractive of all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its >>> length and some can have hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with >>> rounded edges, becoming more round upwards. It may not be very strong as >>> it's common to see the plants battered by rain. >>> >>> It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have >>> tried but not understood properly. >>> >>> I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features. >>> >>> All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, >>> this year and earlier. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Ashwini Bhatia >>> >>> PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9Aj5cmZnWEnvE1ST4_fhYd%3DNNVMptfhyQvrvz5Pz80x%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9Aj5cmZnWEnvE1ST4_fhYd%3DNNVMptfhyQvrvz5Pz80x%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytSWW%2BnWWr0uHDzE7me7%3D71gvy1PBNS1uA-fXkJhx%3DV7FA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytSWW%2BnWWr0uHDzE7me7%3D71gvy1PBNS1uA-fXkJhx%3DV7FA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAPTGuvHjgVe7yCX_fJyXOk0Ynh9XJqMSLQPYYgEVeCPaaKMBHw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAPTGuvHjgVe7yCX_fJyXOk0Ynh9XJqMSLQPYYgEVeCPaaKMBHw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Usha di =========== -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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